A Ruger $200 Back Pocket Glock

[brian64]

There is no bravado about owning or carrying a gun. It's taking your own safety in your own hands. When seconds count, the cops are minutes away. The average police response time in the US is 23 minutes. That's too long when someone's trying to stab you, or a bear is actively attacking you. The average self defense incident takes place in 3 seconds or less, and uses 4 rounds or less. Thousands of people are assaulted, murdered, raped and kidnapped every day. Almost none of those people had a handgun on their person. Ive carried a handgun for 33 years. Not a single person has ever seen it, felt it or known I have it. Where's the bravado in that?
Ive been in this business for decades and I've never heard a single person who regretted carrying/owning a firearm. But I have heard MANY stories of people who have regretted not carrying/owning a firearm.
If so inclined, check out "Active Self Protection" on youtube. John Corriea is one of the top self defense instructors and experts in evidence based self defense. He has hundreds of videos of self defense incidents. Many with firearms, many without.
Many people don't see the need to carry/own a firearm. But there are also many who wish they had.
It's a good idea to not go to stupid places, with stupid people, at stupid times, to do stupid things...but sometimes you don't have a choice. It's nice to have the option to defend yourself in those situations.
But most self defense incidents happen when least expecting it at perfectly normal places, doing perfectly normal things.
Carrying a gun is kind of like having a pilot drop dead. You don't realize how important they are until you're heading into a mountain at 400 mph.
Or not having a fire extinguisher while watching your kitchen burn.
Is having a fire extinguisher showing bravado?

This post should automatically be reposted in every and any gun-related thread. Thank you for saying all of that so well.

 

[romaso]

It always ruffles feathers but the two brands of handguns with the most "out of the box" issues are Sig Sauer and Kimber, although Kimber has been a bit better lately.

What's your experience with the Sig p365? (Figured given your moniker you should know!)

 

[Hillcrest]

I guess that the present descendant of the ol' Blunderbuss might be the American Gun Craft 12-gauge black powder pistols.

Probably but perhaps a bit impractical in the scenarios presented. Guns are tools and there is a right tool for every situation. Some tools are for specific situations which most would never need; other tools are general all purpose for many situations and needs. The goal is to have the right tool at the right time.

 

[Sig]

What's your experience with the Sig p365? (Figured given your moniker you should know!)

Great guns.
I don't have one, but they, along with the Shield Plus and Springfield Hellcat are by far the most popular sub compacts... hands down.
I have a 320 X5 Legion which has ran flawlessly through several thousand rounds.

 

[FurCoat]

Nice Security Six. Bonus points for the Trausch grips!

Here’s mine.

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Very nice. I have 9mm semi autos but I perfer a revolver.

 

[troutface]

It's a good idea to not go to stupid places, with stupid people, at stupid times, to do stupid things

Yes ! On my way to work early one morning I decided to hit a 7-11 in a marginal neighborhood for a cup of coffee. Pulled in to the empty parking lot and three shady guys were standing out front. I decided I didn't need coffee that badly. Situational awareness.

 

[RPK]

have What's your experience with the Sig p365? (Figured given your moniker you should know!)

I have a 365 XL that I have had for almost 3 years now that i really like. A few hundred rounds thru it without any issues. I have big hands and it's a very comfortable fit.

 

[Briar Lee]

There is an argument I've heard made here that carrying a Glock is irresponsible because there is no safety. Horse rubbish. When it comes to self-defense, if you draw your weapon, you shoot to kill. Brandishing will get you in jail. If you feel you need it, you are pulling the trigger. While I carry mostly 1911s in Condition One - another bug a boo that do gooders hate - The gun is locked and loaded and ready to go with the use of just one hand. Again, hesitation, brandishing, none of these will get you any place but the morgue.

Rural America, that part far enough away from urban areas the local grocery store is a Dollar General, when I was a kid was prosperous and today all those places are economic and cultural cesspools of ignorance, poverty, disease, malnutrition, alcoholism, drug addiction, unwed mothers, and yet are still largely free from “street crime”.

Meth heads steal catalytic converters and such, but no muggings, robberies, or gang related drive bys.

Fifty years ago every house in the little Humansvilles of the Bible Belt had guns, when those places all looked like Mayberry.


Today they most of them have Pitt Bull type dogs and you can bet they have a pocket nine hidden someplace.

They occasionally shoot themselves and the unreported brandishments must be astronomical. And sometimes they really do shoot each other.

The safest thing to do is avoid rural ghettos.

Xxxx

The Callaway County Prosecutor's Office filed charges Thursday against a woman accused of killing another woman in Holts Summit on April 13.

Heather Smith, 37, faces six criminal charges including second-degree murder, armed criminal action, three counts of unlawful use of a weapon and one count of endangering the welfare of a child.

The shooting left one woman dead, later identified as 38-year-old Kara Dills. Two other people were hurt in the incident.

According to a probable cause statement, Smith and others at Hunter Lane Apartments were arguing Sunday afternoon. Deputies said surveillance video shows Smith shouting with one person, and later yelling a several juveniles.

At one point, according to a witness, Smith raised her shirt to show she had a pistol in a holster. Some minutes later, according to the statement, Smith pulled the gun out and pointed it at several people, including at one man's face.

One person tried to take the pistol away from Smith, but wasn't able to, the statement said.

At one point, according to investigators, Dills went to her own vehicle and got her own gun, and upon returning to the scene she apparently hit Smith in the face with her pistol. That action caused Dills' gun to go off, and the shot grazed a man's forehead.

Dills then started to walk away, the probable cause statement said, and that's when Smith allegedly shot her in the stomach. Smith was then restrained by another person, and later told that person, "this is why we have guns for situations like this." She reportedly referenced another person who had left the scene earlier, who she claims had "shot people before."

Smith was booked into the Callaway County Jail on no bond Friday morning. The probable cause statement referenced threats made toward Smith after the shooting, "resulting in her fleeing the area to an undisclosed location."

Xxxx

When I go this weekend to decorate the graves of those who have gone on before, my little Ruger LC9 S will feel nice and warm in my back pocket.

An armed society isn’t always a polite society.

But it’s nice to be armed when you can’t just go somewhere safe, you know?

And if you are going to pistol whip somebody a safety is a good idea to have on a semi auto.

 

[Sig]

Rural America, that part far enough away from urban areas the local grocery store is a Dollar General, when I was a kid was prosperous and today all those places are economic and cultural cesspools of ignorance, poverty, disease, malnutrition, alcoholism, drug addiction, unwed mothers, and yet are still largely free from “street crime”.

Meth heads steal catalytic converters and such, but no muggings, robberies, or gang related drive bys.

Fifty years ago every house in the little Humansvilles of the Bible Belt had guns, when those places all looked like Mayberry.


Today they most of them have Pitt Bull type dogs and you can bet they have a pocket nine hidden someplace.

They occasionally shoot themselves and the unreported brandishments must be astronomical. And sometimes they really do shoot each other.

The safest thing to do is avoid rural ghettos.

Xxxx

The Callaway County Prosecutor's Office filed charges Thursday against a woman accused of killing another woman in Holts Summit on April 13.

Heather Smith, 37, faces six criminal charges including second-degree murder, armed criminal action, three counts of unlawful use of a weapon and one count of endangering the welfare of a child.

The shooting left one woman dead, later identified as 38-year-old Kara Dills. Two other people were hurt in the incident.

According to a probable cause statement, Smith and others at Hunter Lane Apartments were arguing Sunday afternoon. Deputies said surveillance video shows Smith shouting with one person, and later yelling a several juveniles.

At one point, according to a witness, Smith raised her shirt to show she had a pistol in a holster. Some minutes later, according to the statement, Smith pulled the gun out and pointed it at several people, including at one man's face.

One person tried to take the pistol away from Smith, but wasn't able to, the statement said.

At one point, according to investigators, Dills went to her own vehicle and got her own gun, and upon returning to the scene she apparently hit Smith in the face with her pistol. That action caused Dills' gun to go off, and the shot grazed a man's forehead.

Dills then started to walk away, the probable cause statement said, and that's when Smith allegedly shot her in the stomach. Smith was then restrained by another person, and later told that person, "this is why we have guns for situations like this." She reportedly referenced another person who had left the scene earlier, who she claims had "shot people before."

Smith was booked into the Callaway County Jail on no bond Friday morning. The probable cause statement referenced threats made toward Smith after the shooting, "resulting in her fleeing the area to an undisclosed location."

Xxxx

When I go this weekend to decorate the graves of those who have gone on before, my little Ruger LC9 S will feel nice and warm in my back pocket.

An armed society isn’t always a polite society.

But it’s nice to be armed when you can’t just go somewhere safe, you know?

And if you are going to pistol whip somebody a safety is a good idea to have on a semi auto.

Thumb safetys aren't bad if you don't feel comfortable without them, and TRAIN to use it. Ive been involved in cases, and seen a lot of videos of people drawing to fire...and nothing happens. I've seen several where the bad guy ends up with the good guys gun due to the defender "forgetting" the safety.
Like I said, the average self defense incident happens in less than 3 seconds. That's deciding to shoot, pulling the gun, and putting shots on target.....in less than 3 seconds.
The 21 foot rule is real. The FBI and police teach it for a reason. It says that a bad guy with a knife can cover 7 yards before you can decide, draw, and fire. Ive seen it in action many times. It seems wrong, but it's true.
The average self defense use happens when the bad guy is within 3 yards.....do the math. We teach and train people to have a 1.3-1.5 second draw to fire. Bad guys like to get close before the strike. Your best plan is to choose your time. You need to know your draw to fire time, then wait until you get that time to take action.
Two things we tell everyone.
If the bad guy tries to frisk you while you're armed....it's go time.
And if they want to take you to another location...it's go time.
In both of those situations, statistics show things are going to go South, so it's time to fight.
Control the bad guys hands, deflect any attacks, and make room and time for that draw to fire time you need.
A thumb safety CAN be a life and death time drain.
As long as you have good trigger discipline, you'll be safe without a thumb safety. Many of the top firearm instructors say if you're not comfortable without a thumb safety, you're not ready to carry a gun.
I don't go that far, but I highly suggest not using a thumb safety.
If you're going to use one, do a LOT of dry firing using the safety so it becomes muscle memory. But, evidence shows that muscle memory isn't foolproof in an intense situation.
The drill we teach for getting comfortable without a thumb safety is this.....
UNLOAD your gun, rack it, and carry it in your quality holster as you would out in the wild. Do this around the house as you go about your day. As you'll notice, the gun will NEVER fire. Then incorporate drawing and reholstering a lot. Again, with trigger discipline, the gun won't fire. Eventually you may become comfortable carrying without a thumb safety.
And finally.....pocket carry is a really bad idea. A large amount of negligent discharges are from pocket carry. The number one time NGs happen are while reholstering....the second is complications with pocket carry....with "off body carry" a close third. If you carry your gun in a QUALITY holster, your chances of an NG are almost zero.
A quality holster is one that's made for your specific gun. Those "one size fits most" $20 holsters are horrible.
A holster that fits MOST guns, actually fits NO guns.
Ugg, I really need to shut up.

 

[NomadOrb]

And finally.....pocket carry is a really bad idea. A large amount of negligent discharges are from pocket carry. The number one time NGs happen are while reholstering....the second is complications with pocket carry....with "off body carry" a close third. If you carry your gun in a QUALITY holster, your chances of an NG are almost zero.
A quality holster is one that's made for your specific gun. Those "one size fits most" $20 holsters are horrible.
A holster that fits MOST guns, actually fits NO guns.
Ugg, I really need to shut up.

I hope people don't think pocket carry means just throw it in your pocket. Get a Kydex holster first, then throw it in there.

 

[Hillcrest]

Thumb safetys aren't bad if you don't feel comfortable without them, and TRAIN to use it. Ive been involved in cases, and seen a lot of videos of people drawing to fire...and nothing happens. I've seen several where the bad guy ends up with the good guys gun due to the defender "forgetting" the safety.
Like I said, the average self defense incident happens in less than 3 seconds. That's deciding to shoot, pulling the gun, and putting shots on target.....in less than 3 seconds.
The 21 foot rule is real. The FBI and police teach it for a reason. It says that a bad guy with a knife can cover 7 yards before you can decide, draw, and fire. Ive seen it in action many times. It seems wrong, but it's true.
The average self defense use happens when the bad guy is within 3 yards.....do the math. We teach and train people to have a 1.3-1.5 second draw to fire. Bad guys like to get close before the strike. Your best plan is to choose your time. You need to know your draw to fire time, then wait until you get that time to take action.
Two things we tell everyone.
If the bad guy tries to frisk you while you're armed....it's go time.
And if they want to take you to another location...it's go time.
In both of those situations, statistics show things are going to go South, so it's time to fight.
Control the bad guys hands, deflect any attacks, and make room and time for that draw to fire time you need.
A thumb safety CAN be a life and death time drain.
As long as you have good trigger discipline, you'll be safe without a thumb safety. Many of the top firearm instructors say if you're not comfortable without a thumb safety, you're not ready to carry a gun.
I don't go that far, but I highly suggest not using a thumb safety.
If you're going to use one, do a LOT of dry firing using the safety so it becomes muscle memory. But, evidence shows that muscle memory isn't foolproof in an intense situation.
The drill we teach for getting comfortable without a thumb safety is this.....
UNLOAD your gun, rack it, and carry it in your quality holster as you would out in the wild. Do this around the house as you go about your day. As you'll notice, the gun will NEVER fire. Then incorporate drawing and reholstering a lot. Again, with trigger discipline, the gun won't fire. Eventually you may become comfortable carrying without a thumb safety.
And finally.....pocket carry is a really bad idea. A large amount of negligent discharges are from pocket carry. The number one time NGs happen are while reholstering....the second is complications with pocket carry....with "off body carry" a close third. If you carry your gun in a QUALITY holster, your chances of an NG are almost zero.
A quality holster is one that's made for your specific gun. Those "one size fits most" $20 holsters are horrible.
A holster that fits MOST guns, actually fits NO guns.
Ugg, I really need to shut up.

What would your recommendations be for a small carryable defensive revolver - belt or pocket ? Thanks.

 

[Peter Turbo]

There is an argument I've heard made here that carrying a Glock is irresponsible because there is no safety. Horse rubbish. When it comes to self-defense, if you draw your weapon, you shoot to kill. Brandishing will get you in jail. If you feel you need it, you are pulling the trigger. While I carry mostly 1911s in Condition One - another bug a boo that do gooders hate - The gun is locked and loaded and ready to go with the use of just one hand. Again, hesitation, brandishing, none of these will get you any place but the morgue.

Pretty much this, if you don't carry with a round in the chamber you are bitch made.

 

[SmokingInTheWind]

Thumb safetys aren't bad if you don't feel comfortable without them, and TRAIN to use it. Ive been involved in cases, and seen a lot of videos of people drawing to fire...and nothing happens. I've seen several where the bad guy ends up with the good guys gun due to the defender "forgetting" the safety.
Like I said, the average self defense incident happens in less than 3 seconds. That's deciding to shoot, pulling the gun, and putting shots on target.....in less than 3 seconds.
The 21 foot rule is real. The FBI and police teach it for a reason. It says that a bad guy with a knife can cover 7 yards before you can decide, draw, and fire. Ive seen it in action many times. It seems wrong, but it's true.
The average self defense use happens when the bad guy is within 3 yards.....do the math. We teach and train people to have a 1.3-1.5 second draw to fire. Bad guys like to get close before the strike. Your best plan is to choose your time. You need to know your draw to fire time, then wait until you get that time to take action.
Two things we tell everyone.
If the bad guy tries to frisk you while you're armed....it's go time.
And if they want to take you to another location...it's go time.
In both of those situations, statistics show things are going to go South, so it's time to fight.
Control the bad guys hands, deflect any attacks, and make room and time for that draw to fire time you need.
A thumb safety CAN be a life and death time drain.
As long as you have good trigger discipline, you'll be safe without a thumb safety. Many of the top firearm instructors say if you're not comfortable without a thumb safety, you're not ready to carry a gun.
I don't go that far, but I highly suggest not using a thumb safety.
If you're going to use one, do a LOT of dry firing using the safety so it becomes muscle memory. But, evidence shows that muscle memory isn't foolproof in an intense situation.
The drill we teach for getting comfortable without a thumb safety is this.....
UNLOAD your gun, rack it, and carry it in your quality holster as you would out in the wild. Do this around the house as you go about your day. As you'll notice, the gun will NEVER fire. Then incorporate drawing and reholstering a lot. Again, with trigger discipline, the gun won't fire. Eventually you may become comfortable carrying without a thumb safety.
And finally.....pocket carry is a really bad idea. A large amount of negligent discharges are from pocket carry. The number one time NGs happen are while reholstering....the second is complications with pocket carry....with "off body carry" a close third. If you carry your gun in a QUALITY holster, your chances of an NG are almost zero.
A quality holster is one that's made for your specific gun. Those "one size fits most" $20 holsters are horrible.
A holster that fits MOST guns, actually fits NO guns.
Ugg, I really need to shut up.

Very good points. I pocket carry a J-frame revolver on occasion and it is safe if done correctly with a proper pocket holster that covers the trigger and stays in the pocket when the gun is drawn. You need to holster the gun outside of your pocket, then put the holstered gun in your pocket. To reholster, remove the empty holster from your pocket, holster the gun, then put the holstered gun back in your pocket. Do not attempt to holster the gun in your pocket. That is when bad things happen. A person should do thorough research and fully understand the pros and cons before deciding to pocket carry. Maybe get specific training.

Here is a good article on pocket carry.

Pocket Holsters & Pocket Carry – RevolverGuy.Com

revolverguy.com

 

[Sig]

Very good points. I pocket carry a J-frame revolver on occasion and it is safe if done correctly with a proper pocket holster that covers the trigger and stays in the pocket when the gun is drawn. You need to holster the gun outside of your pocket, then put the holstered gun in your pocket. To reholster, remove the empty holster from your pocket, holster the gun, then put the holstered gun back in your pocket. Do not attempt to holster the gun in your pocket. That is when bad things happen. A person should do thorough research and fully understand the pros and cons before deciding to pocket carry. Maybe get specific training.

Here is a good article on pocket carry.

Pocket Holsters & Pocket Carry – RevolverGuy.Com

revolverguy.com

Yes, it can be done safely, unfortunately many don't do it safely. You may be surprised how many NDs there are around pocket carry.
We teach all aspects of carry, even pocket and off body carry.
My point is, I've been doing this a long time. A handgun carried in a proper holster is nearly foolproof.
We see people all the time on our range trying to reholster without removing the holster from their pocket....especially when using a sticky holster due to it being "difficult" to remove and replace into the pocket.
But we are specifically talking about pocket carrying an auto loading gun in the pocket. I have seen one go off in a guys pocket in real life. He had a S&W Bodyguard 380 in a soft pocket holster. The holster had rotated in his pocket and while trying to readjust it, he put enough pressure, through the holster, on the 3.5 pound trigger and it fired. And I've heard of that exact same thing happening a couple other times.
That's the advantage to a sticky holster, as long as you remove the holster to reholster your gun. A revolver with a 10+ pound trigger is a different story, but still has a very long draw to fire time.
Again, we teach it all, because people are going to do what they want, and we want them prepared.
Almost ZERO women would carry a gun if they couldn't carry in their purse. That is a very, very bad idea for many evidence based reasons.
I wrote an opinion a few years ago for a court in Pennsylvania. It involved a mom who's 5 year old fired her 9mm while looking for gum in his mom's purse. She was convicted of 2 misdemeanors due to not having control of her firearm, and allowing her child to have access.
Again, pocket carry CAN be done safely. But it's slow and without a thumb safety you may have issues, and with a thumb safety, your draw to fire WILL be 4x longer than from a strong side holster, even from cover. A 4 second draw can get you killed.
Most defensive uses of a firearm outside of law enforcement is done by untrained store clerks. Most of the time the clerks are successful because they are ready and have the firearm within quick reach. Outside of a store, these things happen lightning fast. Most incidents are DONE in 3 seconds, a 4 second draw is not going to end well.
At our introduction to CC class, 99% of people will have an sub 2 second draw to fire from cover. It needs to be practiced, but they will have the information...then it's up to them. I have practiced a lot, and I cannot draw to fire from a pocket holster in under 3 seconds with a buzzer...and that's too long......in my opinion.

 

[SmokingInTheWind]

Yes, it can be done safely, unfortunately many don't do it safely. You may be surprised how many NDs there are around pocket carry.
We teach all aspects of carry, even pocket and off body carry.
My point is, I've been doing this a long time. A handgun carried in a proper holster is nearly foolproof.
We see people all the time on our range trying to reholster without removing the holster from their pocket....especially when using a sticky holster due to it being "difficult" to remove and replace into the pocket.
But we are specifically talking about pocket carrying an auto loading gun in the pocket. I have seen one go off in a guys pocket in real life. He had a S&W Bodyguard 380 in a soft pocket holster. The holster had rotated in his pocket and while trying to readjust it, he put enough pressure, through the holster, on the 3.5 pound trigger and it fired. And I've heard of that exact same thing happening a couple other times.
That's the advantage to a sticky holster, as long as you remove the holster to reholster your gun. A revolver with a 10+ pound trigger is a different story, but still has a very long draw to fire time.
Again, we teach it all, because people are going to do what they want, and we want them prepared.
Almost ZERO women would carry a gun if they couldn't carry in their purse. That is a very, very bad idea for many evidence based reasons.
I wrote an opinion a few years ago for a court in Pennsylvania. It involved a mom who's 5 year old fired her 9mm while looking for gum in his mom's purse. She was convicted of 2 misdemeanors due to not having control of her firearm, and allowing her child to have access.
Again, pocket carry CAN be done safely. But it's slow and without a thumb safety you may have issues, and with a thumb safety, your draw to fire WILL be 4x longer than from a strong side holster, even from cover. A 4 second draw can get you killed.
Most defensive uses of a firearm outside of law enforcement is done by untrained store clerks. Most of the time the clerks are successful because they are ready and have the firearm within quick reach. Outside of a store, these things happen lightning fast. Most incidents are DONE in 3 seconds, a 4 second draw is not going to end well.
At our introduction to CC class, 99% of people will have a sub 2 second draw to fire from cover. It needs to be practiced, but they will have the information...then it's up to them. I have practiced a lot, and I cannot draw to fire from a pocket holster in under 3 seconds with a buzzer...and that's too long......in my opinion.

More good points. I would only pocket carry a double-action-only, enclosed hammer small frame revolver like a S&W 642 or a Ruger LCR. I would not pocket carry a semiautomatic pistol due to relatively light, short trigger pull and controls that could be inadvertently depressed by the holster. One advantage of pocket carry is that you can have your hand on the gun ready to draw if a situation makes you nervous. No one can see the gun and your hand is on it. This should reduce draw time. Otherwise, I can see where it would be slower than strong side holster draw. It is a specialized form of carry, good for a backup gun or if you are required to wear a tucked in shirt with no jacket. I chimed in so that I could post the article explaining the proper way to pocket carry for the benefit of those who are considering it, or already doing it incorrectly. Thanks for being out there educating people on how to protect themselves safely.

 

[telescopes]

I do not carry in a pocket - for all the reasons listed prior. When riding on my motorcycle, the gun is stored in the vest pocket of whatever jacket I have on and the thumb safety is on. This is not ideal for a fast pull - but the alternative would be an uncomfortable ride. Just as important as being able to safely pull out your gun is being aware of your environment. That is something I am good at - but it does mean living your life in a defensive manner no matter where you are - parking lot, filling station, elevator, or just walking down the block.

 

[anantaandroscoggin]

Pockets must have been a bit bigger during the heyday of Colt's 1849 Pocket Revolver in .31 cal.

 

[telescopes]

I'll add here something that is certainly politically incorrect. Reading your environment means also trusting your instincts. We have a sixth sense - a sort of protection alert - but society trains us to ignore it, not trust it, or chalk it up to false biases.

That bullshit is a quick way to get yourself a bed in the morgue.

 

[FLDRD]

We have a sixth sense - a sort of protection alert - but society trains us to ignore it, not trust it, or chalk it up to false biases.

I think this is a relatively "new" phenomenon. "Instinct" was once appreciated, and still is by many. We may be few, but we are not alone.

 

[Briar Lee]

I'll add here something that is certainly politically incorrect. Reading your environment means also trusting your instincts. We have a sixth sense - a sort of protection alert - but society trains us to ignore it, not trust it, or chalk it up to false biases.

That bullshit is a quick way to get yourself a bed in the morgue.

My wife gets furious with me for saying your prejudices serve you well.

What breaks my heart is that those prejudices now apply to my fellow hillbillies.

A place where everybody has bad teeth, a bad attitude, no future, and a terrible present and a new nine they are just itching to use, is no place to be a well educated, well dressed, successful retired lawyer smoking a pipe.

Whatever happened to those left behind in rural America is a tragedy.

But it wasn’t my fault, for doing what was expected of us back then, you know?

Everybody knows to avoid urban ghettos.

Now you should not mingle among the rural ghettos.

And you cannot even think about depending on rural police for protection.

I’m too old and fat to be handcuffed and it would kill my wife.