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Jun 9, 2015
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I spotted this pipe on eBay a while back and was immediately intrigued by it, I find the shape very appealing. But it’s a little strange in the sense that there is nearly zero indication who made it. There are some clues in what little stamping it has, but not many.

It’s what I would describe as a square shank Bulldog. It’s a fairly chunky pipe with pretty robust proportions but not quite what I’d call chubby. It was pretty filthy when I got it. IMG_8664.jpeg

Starting with the button, it’s what I generally describe as transitional button. It’s still very rounded like an orific button but it’s got a very well formed slot. These are mostly seen during the 1920’s and are fairly common on WDC pipes.
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The only stamping on the pipe is

IMPORTED BRIAR

On the left shank face

And

3185/V 2

On the bottom shank face.
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The four digit shape code immediately made my think KB&B, and the prefix 31 does indeed indicate a push tenon black vulcanite stemmed pipe.


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But 85 does not align with a square shank BD at all. And what’s with the /V 2?

The IMPORTED BRIAR stamp does match a stamp KB&B used in the late 20’s and early 30’s and I had to dig pretty deep into my collection to find one but I did. A four digit Kaywoodie Shellcraft from the late 20’s
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Anyway, my best guess is that it’s an either a KB&B or Riese Premier pipe and I’m fairly certain it dates to the late 1920’s or early 1930’s.
Maybe @sablebrush52 or @jguss might know more but that’s all I got.

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My guess is a Reiss.

It would match the timeline of Imported Briat.


Very nice!!
I suspect you’re right, especially seeing as how Shellcraft was a Reiss Premiere carryover and that’s the only pipe I can find it on my collection. None of my other RP pipes have a briar stamp at all.
 

jguss

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I’m heading out to an early dinner (hey, don’t judge me; I’m in Florida) so I can get you started but this has to be quick.

Check out this:


Then this:


Then this:

 
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I’m heading out to an early dinner (hey, don’t judge me; I’m in Florida) so I can get you started but this has to be quick.

Check out this:


Then this:


Then this:

Well mystery solved! I wonder why this one didn’t get The signature stamp? Possibly one of the pipes he completed post retirement? It does seem a little strange that most of his other pipes have a completely different briar stamp but the 3158/V shown on WorthPoint has the same briar stamp as mine.

From his Pipedia page.IMG_8697.jpeg

From my pipe and the other 3158/VIMG_8677.jpeg

It’s circumstantial, but my pipe did come via eBay from not to terribly far from Chicago.
 

jguss

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Pram, like so many minor figures in our hobby, is a bit enigmatic. There is much that is unclear or wrong in the short piece about Sydney Philip Pram (1909-1982). For example he did not retire in 1942 and move to California. The relocation occurred between 1950 (when the census lists him as the proprietor of a whole tobacco business and makes it clear that Pram was still living in Illinois) and 1956 when he appears in the Los Angeles voter lists.

More interesting is the language he uses in the war time catalog reproduced on Pipedia. Nowhere does Pram say he makes pipes. Rather he selects, grades, and approves them. Now this could simply mean that Pram has workmen making the pipes and he evaluates each one before sale. But it could also mean that some (or all?) of the pipes bearing his name were made by someone else, as was so common for tobacconists in the industry throughout America and the UK. And if that is the case it becomes very possible that what looks like a Comoy is indeed a Comoy.

Just speculation, of course, but food for thought nonetheless.
 
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Pram, like so many minor figures in our hobby, is a bit enigmatic. There is much that is unclear or wrong in the short piece about Sydney Philip Pram (1909-1982). For example he did not retire in 1942 and move to California. The relocation occurred between 1950 (when the census lists him as the proprietor of a whole tobacco business and makes it clear that Pram was still living in Illinois) and 1956 when he appears in the Los Angeles voter lists.

More interesting is the language he uses in the war time catalog reproduced on Pipedia. Nowhere does Pram say he makes pipes. Rather he selects, grades, and approves them. Now this could simply mean that Pram has workmen making the pipes and he evaluates each one before sale. But it could also mean that some (or all?) of the pipes bearing his name were made by someone else, as was so common for tobacconists in the industry throughout America and the UK. And if that is the case it becomes very possible that what looks like a Comoy is indeed a Comoy.

Just speculation, of course, but food for thought nonetheless.
My initial thought was that even if Mr Ram had house made pipes, he likely based on his catalog also had pipes made for him by factories as you pointed out was very common at that time. That being the case that doesn’t mean my pipe is even a Ram pipe. It just means it’s the same shape/number that Mr Ram had at some point also sold. I’m fairly certain it’s an American made pipe, if it were Brit it would likely have a com. In the case that it’s a factory made pipe I still suspect it’s a KB&B based on the 4 digit shape number. I suspect the /V 2 is some sort of indicator of a house brand pipe.
 
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The PRam possibility is interesting, but that semi-orific bit screams late '20's to early '30's to me. The button shaping is similar to that of an orific bit, just with a lozenge shaped slot, though not a wide one.

Also, the IMPORTED BRIAR stamp is a dead ringer for the KB&B stamp, and while any number of pipes had "IMPORTED BRIAR" stamped on them, the fonts and proportions differ.

So far, none of the usual suspects carry all of the attributes needed to make an iron clad attribution, as far as I can tell.

It would be interesting to see some other bits made by the suspects to see if any others have this quite transitional slotted airway.
 
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