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[cosmicfolklore]

Pollock is pretty easy target for an "Art or Crap?" discussion.

Actually, did you know that Salvador Dali was involved in a scam in the 80's. A van load of signed blank printing pages were found in New York, which led to an investigation. See, an artist signs his work as a way of proving that he actually pulled the print himself, keeping it in the one-of-a-kind category. Nowadays, it has become popular for artists to have someone else do their printing, but Dali was standing behind the old ways of printing, which makes the prints one-of-a-kind still, even though they are prints. The discovery of the van blew the value of Dali's work into smithereens, and proved he was fraudulently marketing his work.
But, turning around and selling his work at places like head shops and Spencer's in US malls, made him even more famous than before. And, you would see him the Johnny Carson shows and other talk show venues.

Sorry, I get carried away.

 

[gerryp]

Actually, did you know that Salvador Dali was involved in a scam in the 80's. A van load of signed blank printing pages were found in New York, which led to an investigation. See, an artist signs his work as a way of proving that he actually pulled the print himself, keeping it in the one-of-a-kind category. Nowadays, it has become popular for artists to have someone else do their printing, but Dali was standing behind the old ways of printing, which makes the prints one-of-a-kind still, even though they are prints. The discovery of the van blew the value of Dali's work into smithereens, and proved he was fraudulently marketing his work.
But, turning around and selling his work at places like head shops and Spencer's in US malls, made him even more famous than before. And, you would see him the Johnny Carson shows and other talk show venues.

Sorry, I get carried away.

Ha I didn't know about that scam. Certainly a dick move, but at least you have a legit Dali autograph!

Now that you mention it, it's entirely possible that my first exposure to Dali could have been in the poster rack at Spencer's around 1986.

Speaking of painting sizes...I saw the Dali exhibit at the National Gallery in DC about 20 ears ago. I was surprised at the actual sizes of some of his work.
The Hallucinogenic Toreador: smaller than expected.
The Last Supper: bigger than expected.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Ha I didn't know about that scam. Certainly a dick move, but at least you have a legit Dali autograph!

Now that you mention it, it's entirely possible that my first exposure to Dali could have been in the poster rack at Spencer's around 1986.

Speaking of painting sizes...I saw the Dali exhibit at the National Gallery in DC about 20 ears ago. I was surprised at the actual sizes of some of his work.
The Hallucinogenic Toreador: smaller than expected.
The Last Supper: bigger than expected.

Yes, I had read where he said that he liked his paintings to be about the size of someone's forehead, so that it would be more like seeing it in the viewer's mind.

 

[donjgiles]

Ha I didn't know about that scam. Certainly a dick move, but at least you have a legit Dali autograph!

Now that you mention it, it's entirely possible that my first exposure to Dali could have been in the poster rack at Spencer's around 1986.

Speaking of painting sizes...I saw the Dali exhibit at the National Gallery in DC about 20 ears ago. I was surprised at the actual sizes of some of his work.
The Hallucinogenic Toreador: smaller than expected.
The Last Supper: bigger than expected.

The Last Supper is very intense, in person.

 

[gerryp]

Yes, I had read where he said that he liked his paintings to be about the size of someone's forehead, so that it would be more like seeing it in the viewer's mind.

I think The Hallucinogenic Toreador was maybe 12" x 24". You'd need a pretty massive dome for that one!

 

[anotherbob]

One of the things that set Pollock apart from others who were working in the non-objective genre was that Mondrian, Kandinsky, etc... wrote huge books explaining their reasons. Pollock was a no nonsense sort of guy, and when pressed by critics as to why he did this or that, he'd just punch them, in the face.
I saw the anti-Pollock post, but I didn't feel obligated to try to make someone like what I like. Just like I don't feel compelled to make someone like the same tobaccos or pipes as me... actually if I enjoy accessibility to my favorite tobaccos, it is counter productive to try to talk others into buying up what may remain of my favorites, so...

But, as to Pollock... one could not just buy a Pollock. They are huge. I don't have a single wall in my house to fit any of them on. But, I enjoy his work, when I get chances to see them. It is a record of a dance... a working class American dance. He spreads his canvases out on the floor, and starts dancing with the paints, and imbedded in his paintings are bottle caps of his beers he is drinking and the cigarette butts, bootprints, and it's all there... the record of this strange little man becoming one with his paints.
I also love the lore... Jack the Dripper, and all of the Pop culture slams on him in the press and on talk shows, TV shows that mention him... he is quite imbedded in our cultural consciousness.

But, if you don't like him, great. If you share my admiration for a fight first, talk is cheap sorta guy, then great as well. I don't think less of anyone who likes different things than me... in fact I seek out those with opposing views. I respect that in peoples.

one thing I've noticed with art in general is if the slam is that the artist "is just doing blank..." then the person slamming hasn't understood. The go to example is rap it's just talking over music. You don't have to like it, but it takes more then talking over music. I don't really like Pollock but you are not going to get the same results just dripping paint if you try that you'll find out there is more going on in one of his paintings then "just" dripping paints. When I finally saw one of his paintings I realized you can certainly get lost in the painting and that there are repeating patterns that have interesting permutations. Which is what I could say the painting was to me interesting but didn't do much more for me.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

one thing I've noticed with art in general is if the slam is that the artist "is just doing blank..." then the person slamming hasn't understood. The go to example is rap it's just talking over music. You don't have to like it, but it takes more then talking over music. I don't really like Pollock but you are not going to get the same results just dripping paint if you try that you'll find out there is more going on in one of his paintings then "just" dripping paints. When I finally saw one of his paintings I realized you can certainly get lost in the painting and that there are repeating patterns that have interesting permutations. Which is what I could say the painting was to me interesting but didn't do much more for me.

You'd think that after years and years of studying art, that I would have an appreciation for Classical music. I mean, yeh, I appreciate it... it just grates on my nerves to hear it. I know and appreciate how hard it is to do. but, to hear it just makes me want to crawl out of my skin. I think sometimes it's hard to just say, "I don't like it" without having some reason for not liking it.
Like, I really detest Peterson pipes. It even annoys me to see someone else smoking them. I have spent years on here, saying, "they look like a fat legged woman," "they just look stupid," "clumsy aesthetics," but lately I just had to put it in the category with classical music. I just don't like it. I don't have to belittle it or put it down. I don't even have to have a reason. It's a free country, I can hate Sutliff tobaccos, Peterson pipes, and classical music, and skate boards. All them things can go fuck themselves, ha ha.

 

[gerryp]

You'd think that after years and years of studying art, that I would have an appreciation for Classical music. I mean, yeh, I appreciate it... it just grates on my nerves to hear it. I know and appreciate how hard it is to do. but, to hear it just makes me want to crawl out of my skin. I think sometimes it's hard to just say, "I don't like it" without having some reason for not liking it.
Like, I really detest Peterson pipes. It even annoys me to see someone else smoking them. I have spent years on here, saying, "they look like a fat legged woman," "they just look stupid," "clumsy aesthetics," but lately I just had to put it in the category with classical music. I just don't like it. I don't have to belittle it or put it down. I don't even have to have a reason. It's a free country, I can hate Sutliff tobaccos, Peterson pipes, and classical music, and skate boards. All them things can go fuck themselves, ha ha.

Funny you should mention jazz/classicql music. In a former life (until my 2nd year of college) I was a classical trumpet player. For most of my life I didn't like or "get" the vast majority of modern jazz, or the more abstract, less melody driven kind. You'd think I'd have been a Miles Davis fan, but I wasn't impressed with him either.

A couple years ago I was a little bored with my usual music, which covers a lot of ground but not jazz. I decided that dammit, I'm going to buckle down and go through Amazon music until I start to like jazz, or die trying. Pretty soon I found Art Blakey's "Moanin'", and the first track grabbed me. I could "feel" it, which wasn't the case with the more abstract stuff or classical music.

So now I enjoy jazz more, but I'd rather listen to Lee Morgan than Miles Davis.

 

[mikethompson]

I did not think my thread on an ugly wood pipe would morph into an art appreciation thread, but hey, it's 2020.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I did not think my thread on an ugly wood pipe would morph into an art appreciation thread, but hey, it's 2020.

Ha, I was just about to post a 6 paragraph dissertation on the effect of bad Jazz on trees that make ugly pipes... just to bring it full circle.

 

[jpmcwjr]

I like that this thread branched out.

 

[timt]

I didn't think it would stick around this long.

 

[jttnk]

I certainly don’t “arbor” any I’ll will with the meandering nature of this thread.

 

[mikethompson]

With it being autumn, soon the thread will turn to a bright red or gold and fall to the ground.

 

[Chasing Embers]

With it being autumn, soon the thread will turn to a bright red or gold and fall to the ground.

nah

 

[solideogloria86]

This goes against the grain of the entire family tree of great pipe makers. However, I wood knot be surprised if this sort of thing becomes poplar.

 

[anotherbob]

oh my god you guys and your stupid jokes it's like you can't see the forest for the pipes.

 

[brian64]

I like that this thread branched out.

I didn't think it would stick around this long.

Time to leave.

 

[BROBS]

It is a great movie. His early work was much more appealing than his later diarrhea splatter.

All art is a sham. ?

 

[cigrmaster]

We used to have a saying in the car business...........there is an ass for every seat.
Some moron will buy this and think he got a deal.