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anotherbob

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You heathens clearly don't understand art.

Jackson Pollock's paintings look like complete pieces of shit to the untrained eye too. Underneath, however, lurks a timeless work of sublime beauty, according to art experts.

Same thing with thing with those "3d picture hidden behind a bunch of geometrical patterns" things.
that's extra funny to me right now. This week I actually saw one of his paintings in person. Now I still didn't personally like it, but I did have to admit it wasn't as stupid or random as I thought it was. I'll put it this way at first it looks like anyone could do that but when you really look at it and the weird fractal patterns you see it takes some skill to make what he made. So to my mind it's the visual arts equivalent of those musicians that obviously practiced a lot and can play things most musicians don't have the skill to play but who also don't make you feel anything more then wow that guy is acrobatic on those guitar strings. Still personally couldn't care but the accolades aren't just b.s.. Wouldn't even mention it if I didn't get to vacuum around one of his paintings last week.
 

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that's extra funny to me right now. This week I actually saw one of his paintings in person. Now I still didn't personally like it, but I did have to admit it wasn't as stupid or random as I thought it was. I'll put it this way at first it looks like anyone could do that but when you really look at it and the weird fractal patterns you see it takes some skill to make what he made. So to my mind it's the visual arts equivalent of those musicians that obviously practiced a lot and can play things most musicians don't have the skill to play but who also don't make you feel anything more then wow that guy is acrobatic on those guitar strings. Still personally couldn't care but the accolades aren't just b.s.. Wouldn't even mention it if I didn't get to vacuum around one of his paintings last week.
Kidding aside, after I saw "Pollock" with Ed Harris, I can understand the appeal of his work. Great movie.
 

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Kidding aside, after I saw "Pollock" with Ed Harris, I can understand the appeal of his work. Great movie.
did they show what a raging asshole he was? I hope they did because from what I understand that really was one of his main personality traits. Like everyone can act like an asshole sometimes but some people "are" assholes.
Though his art like a lot paintings shouldn't be judged until you've seen it in person under the right light. There is that guy who's name I forget that makes what looks like two colors in big fat strips most boring looking thing in picture books, though in person even someone that doesn't really care about art and paintings will get wowed by it. Because there is so much more going on in the details.
 
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did they show what a raging asshole he was? I hope they did because from what I understand that really was one of his main personality traits. Like everyone can act like an asshole sometimes but some people "are" assholes.
Though his art like a lot paintings shouldn't be judged until you've seen it in person under the right light. There is that guy who's name I forget that makes what looks like two colors in big fat strips most boring looking thing in picture books, though in person even someone that doesn't really care about art and paintings will get wowed by it. Because there is so much more going on in the details.
Yes they did show the asshole part. If you like his work, or even if you don't, you should check it out. Ed Harris kills it.

As I was writing my first post about Pollock, I was thinking that there would be at least one person here who would have a counterpoint.
:)
 

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Yes they did show the asshole part. If you like his work, or even if you don't, you should check it out. Ed Harris kills it.

As I was writing my first post about Pollock, I was thinking that there would be at least one person here who would have a counterpoint.
:)
not sure so much a counter point as just another perspective. Another artist movie that's worth watching even if you're not into their art. Is "Big Eyes" Big Eyes (2014) - IMDb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1126590/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 it's interesting and weirdly a Tim Burton movie that has a decent story and pacing.
 
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Yes they did show the asshole part. If you like his work, or even if you don't, you should check it out. Ed Harris kills it.

As I was writing my first post about Pollock, I was thinking that there would be at least one person here who would have a counterpoint.
:)
It is a great movie. His early work was much more appealing than his later diarrhea splatter.
 
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not sure so much a counter point as just another perspective. Another artist movie that's worth watching even if you're not into their art. Is "Big Eyes" Big Eyes (2014) - IMDb - https://www.imdb.com/title/tt1126590/?ref_=nv_sr_srsg_0 it's interesting and weirdly a Tim Burton movie that has a decent story and pacing.

Thanks, I'm a Tim Burton fan and didn't know about that one.

I admit that I'm entertained by the thought that maybe Pollock was a cynical genius and con-man who laughed to himself privately about how he fooled a bunch of art people into heaping praise on paintings that were really just a big mess on his floor.
 
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Thanks, I'm a Tim Burton fan and didn't know about that one.

I admit that I'm entertained by the thought that maybe Pollock was a cynical genius and con-man who laughed to himself privately about how he fooled a bunch of art people into heaping praise on paintings that were really just a big mess on his floor.
I'am sure he took his paintings seriously. I wouldn't be surprised if he fronted otherwise in certain circumstances or even thought it was ridiculous that he was as famous as he was for his paintings, but I'am sure he took it seriously enough to put thought and effort into it. Tim Burton is awesome even if he made a few clunkers (I hate Alice in Wonderland and his Chocolate factory movie is terrible and his remake of Dark Shadows should be burnt and banished and all record of it's existence should be stricken from record.) Otherwise he's great. Even Sleepy Hallow gets by on amazing visuals and being super halloweenie. Big Eyes is great and it is really surprising how good it is in ways that aren't what you think when you think Tim Burton.
 
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Now there's an idea with proper execution.

I'd normally consider the average painting to be worth no more than the sum of its raw materials and decent compensation for time, but if there are very many more examples like this I might even become a fan of this Pollock guy.

At least he creates something visually interesting. Outside of that "Modern Art" is still a giant hoax as far as I'm concerned.
 
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Now there's an idea with proper execution.

I'd normally consider the average painting to be worth no more than the sum of its raw materials and decent compensation for time, but if there are very many more examples like this I might even become a fan of this Pollock guy.

At least he creates something visually interesting. Outside of that "Modern Art" is still a giant hoax as far as I'm concerned.

Say, I really like that one!

Originally I was going to say "Wow that's amazing! Most of his stuff clashes with my living room set, but that's a perfect match!"

(For the record, I don't even own a 'living room set', and it's clear upon entering our home that we care very little about colors matching.)
 
did they show what a raging asshole he was?
One of the things that set Pollock apart from others who were working in the non-objective genre was that Mondrian, Kandinsky, etc... wrote huge books explaining their reasons. Pollock was a no nonsense sort of guy, and when pressed by critics as to why he did this or that, he'd just punch them, in the face.
I saw the anti-Pollock post, but I didn't feel obligated to try to make someone like what I like. Just like I don't feel compelled to make someone like the same tobaccos or pipes as me... actually if I enjoy accessibility to my favorite tobaccos, it is counter productive to try to talk others into buying up what may remain of my favorites, so...

But, as to Pollock... one could not just buy a Pollock. They are huge. I don't have a single wall in my house to fit any of them on. But, I enjoy his work, when I get chances to see them. It is a record of a dance... a working class American dance. He spreads his canvases out on the floor, and starts dancing with the paints, and imbedded in his paintings are bottle caps of his beers he is drinking and the cigarette butts, bootprints, and it's all there... the record of this strange little man becoming one with his paints.
I also love the lore... Jack the Dripper, and all of the Pop culture slams on him in the press and on talk shows, TV shows that mention him... he is quite imbedded in our cultural consciousness.

But, if you don't like him, great. If you share my admiration for a fight first, talk is cheap sorta guy, then great as well. I don't think less of anyone who likes different things than me... in fact I seek out those with opposing views. I respect that in peoples.
 
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One of the things that set Pollock apart from others who were working in the non-objective genre was that Mondrian, Kandinsky, etc... wrote huge books explaining their reasons. Pollock was a no nonsense sort of guy, and when pressed by critics as to why he did this or that, he'd just punch them, in the face.
I saw the anti-Pollock post, but I didn't feel obligated to try to make someone like what I like. Just like I don't feel compelled to make someone like the same tobaccos or pipes as me... actually if I enjoy accessibility to my favorite tobaccos, it is counter productive to try to talk others into buying up what may remain of my favorites, so...

But, as to Pollock... one could not just buy a Pollock. They are huge. I don't have a single wall in my house to fit any of them on. But, I enjoy his work, when I get chances to see them. It is a record of a dance... a working class American dance. He spreads his canvases out on the floor, and starts dancing with the paints, and imbedded in his paintings are bottle caps of his beers he is drinking and the cigarette butts, bootprints, and it's all there... the record of this strange little man becoming one with his paints.
I also love the lore... Jack the Dripper, and all of the Pop culture slams on him in the press and on talk shows, TV shows that mention him... he is quite imbedded in our cultural consciousness.

But, if you don't like him, great. If you share my admiration for a fight first, talk is cheap sorta guy, then great as well. I don't think less of anyone who likes different things than me... in fact I seek out those with opposing views. I respect that in peoples.

I should probably confess that I might have maybe been trolling a wee bit with that first post. Pollock is pretty easy target for an "Art or Crap?" discussion.

Pollock's image, I think, makes his work more interesting. Knowing something about an artist's character and methods can make one appreciate their work as well as draw attention to it. For example, just look at this guy (whose stuff I love, btw):

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