Ford Announces the Next Model T
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The Phantoms from 10 years ago are pretty damn nice.
Maybe I take it back.
In keeping with Ford’s standing as the world’s leading recall company they have announced proactive recalls prior to the first sales…. 
Why tires for electrics cost more, is very simple.
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Unholy acceleration has always been a mainstay of Tesla's sport-minded models, and the new Performance is no different. A pair of motors motivates all four wheels to the tune of 510 horsepower and 554 pound-feet of torque. Thanks in part to a relatively svelte 4046-pound curb weight, the Model 3 Performance blasts to 60 mph in a supercar-adjacent 2.8 seconds and continues through the quarter-mile in 11.0 seconds at 125 mph. By the time you remember what the speed limit is, you've doubled it.
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An electric car’s performance will be as addicting as ancient, oil cured, aged Pre 54 Algerian briar.
My son has had several fire breathing, idle like a bucket of bolts, rumpty rumpty go fast cars he has drag slicks for to run on drag strips.
A Tesla will smoke any of his racers on street tires. On the street. As in punch it and go.
The electric makers will be lying on the low side about horsepower and torque to lower insurance rates.
The do gooders and the dad blasted gubbermint will get involved.
To sell an electric all any salesman will have to do is take his customer to a freeway ramp and say punch it.
No gasoline.
4 cents a mile electric cost
Japanese super bike performance
Million mile electric motors
8 year guarantee battery packs (soon to be modular and much cheaper)
And you worry about high performance tires?.
Another reason the tires cost more is an electric is silent as a ghost.
Customers demand silent rolling tires.
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Unholy acceleration has always been a mainstay of Tesla's sport-minded models, and the new Performance is no different. A pair of motors motivates all four wheels to the tune of 510 horsepower and 554 pound-feet of torque. Thanks in part to a relatively svelte 4046-pound curb weight, the Model 3 Performance blasts to 60 mph in a supercar-adjacent 2.8 seconds and continues through the quarter-mile in 11.0 seconds at 125 mph. By the time you remember what the speed limit is, you've doubled it.
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An electric car’s performance will be as addicting as ancient, oil cured, aged Pre 54 Algerian briar.
My son has had several fire breathing, idle like a bucket of bolts, rumpty rumpty go fast cars he has drag slicks for to run on drag strips.
A Tesla will smoke any of his racers on street tires. On the street. As in punch it and go.
The electric makers will be lying on the low side about horsepower and torque to lower insurance rates.
The do gooders and the dad blasted gubbermint will get involved.
To sell an electric all any salesman will have to do is take his customer to a freeway ramp and say punch it.
No gasoline.
4 cents a mile electric cost
Japanese super bike performance
Million mile electric motors
8 year guarantee battery packs (soon to be modular and much cheaper)
And you worry about high performance tires?.
Another reason the tires cost more is an electric is silent as a ghost.
Customers demand silent rolling tires.
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I could bore you to death with C02 facts, but I won't.There are other studies out there. Such as: USA has the cleanest emissions in the world; the CO2 levels are at the lowest levels in the last 40,000 years (estimated); if we drop another 2.34% all life on earth will die out starting with plants; there has been a 40% increase in trees and foliage in the past few decades. The truth is out there but discerning it is the problem. Nature tends to heal itself as George Carlin implied
I'll just say this.....
100 million years ago C02 levels on earth were at about 800ppm, due to volcanic activity.
Today we are about 416ppm of C02.
100 million years ago life was flourishing. Plants and animals were much larger, and very healthy.
At our current C02 gain, it would take millions of years to get near that 800ppm....where plants and animals were far healthier than we are currently.
C02 is NOT the issue, pollution is the issue. Pharmaceutical runoff, industry runoff, and illegal petrol manufacturing in Africa and India.
If you want to get sick to your stomach, check out videos about illegal gasoline/diesel manufacturing in Africa. There are coastal areas completely void of life. Where the human lifespan is 30 years old. All due to illegal fuel manufacturing.
Children and wildlife in India are dying at record rates due to Pharmaceutical runoff.
Why are the "do gooders" talking about C02 and not pollution?
Money, as usual.
There is more profit in the control of the C02 boogeyman than there is in reining in these rouge countries disastrous practices.
It would cost trillions of dollars to regulate Pharmaceuticals and petrol making. But C02 control actually MAKES trillions of dollars.
Some of the wealthiest humans on earth are in the green industry.
"Experts" say the world's first trillionaire will most likely be from the Green industry.
For a fraction of the money spent on C02 control, building nuclear power plants would drastically lower C02.
Why dont we do this?
Money, as usual.
Once the nuclear plants were online, C02 would drop dramatically, and citizens would believe we solved it. The profit to the Green billion dollar companies would dry up.
There are some REAL scientists doing real science on all this. But they have been threatened into the dark corners of scientific articles and papers.
So, like I said, I could bore you for hours, but I wont.won't.
I will add that if the earth's temps went up 5 degrees, human life would be fine. In fact, we could grow more food, which could help feed the overpopulation...I mean population.
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d, if the ice caps melted instantly, sea levels would rise 4 inches. Not the hundreds off feet the "experts" say.They do not take water displacement into consideration....by design.
And of course, our planet has been much hotter, much cooler, much wetter, and much drier.
Climate change over the last 100,000 years has actually been very calm compared to other times.
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Pollution has always been the issue. Toxins have always been the issue. A body running on "green" ingredients will always out perform one riddled with arsenic, mercury, and other metals as well as the slew of petro chemicals and other chemicals we have sluicing through our bodies. The air we breathe, the water we drink, and the food we consume should be our priorities. But what would be the fun in that - we are a people without shame.
We humans are selfish bastards.
We love old Number One in the mirror, we surely do.
My favorite example is the modern leaf blower. A machine expressly designed to blow your leaves on somebody else’s property.
If our cars burn gasoline, or if they use electricity generated by a coal plant, we don’t see the pollution.
My wife and I happened on a huge coal plant down by the bootheel in a place so poor and destitute there were still sharecroppers shacks right out of Song of the South still standing. No doubt it had to be largest (maybe only) employer for miles around.
That is the beauty of electric cars.
They will all travel three or four times further on the same amount of energy and it’s possible to put a lot of windmills in the same poverty stricken places there used to be coal plants.
Forget about people giving a rat’s ass about generations yet unborn.
Electrics make a cleaner present.
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Let’s say you and me were on the board of an electric company.
A new nuclear plant is out of the question. We’d fight do gooders and still not have it 20 years and 20 billion dollars later.
How about a new coal plant? Do we have a death wish? No way. New coal is dead. We’ll keep ours until the gubbermint regulates it be shut down and we’ll pay 4 cents or more for fuel per kilowatt hour and it’s dirty and expensive to maintain and they are in shithole places out in the boondocks.
And they take a long time to get up steam to start, too.
A viable choice is a new Natgas turbine plant at 4 cents a kilowatt, no big boilers, we can put one anywhere. We hire one guy to turn a valve, no coal trains, no coal shuttles, and the same 4 plus cents fuel cost, much lower maintenance, thirty minute startup.
Why we see all those big trucks hauling wind turbine blades is wind has zero fuel cost.
The actual amortized cost is 2 cents or less a kilowatt hour, true.
But in the desolate and godforsaken places the wind blows almost all the time the farmers will kiss us if we offer them leases.
The wind doesn’t always blow, but it blows quite a bit where they put wind turbines, and when it blows the utilities shut down that many Natgas plants.
When my wife and I drove out across the Mississippi River bottoms to marvel at the big coal plant it must have been shut down. There was no steam from the cooling tower, no smoke from the furnace tower.
But the wind blew huge clouds of coal dust off the coal piles out and down the river for miles.
Motorcycle. 'nuff said.
Cars have been going downhill in terms of driver enjoyment since 2000, and moronically increasing in cost since ~2020. It's completely impossible to buy a new car under $15,000 in Europe at the moment, they basically don't exist. In India it's possible to buy a local adaptation of a small Suzuki for $5,000. It's basic but it's sturdy, works, and is cheap enough for more or less anyone to afford it.
I know I'll be forced to get an automatic EV eventually, but I don't care as long as I can ride.
Cars have been going downhill in terms of driver enjoyment since 2000, and moronically increasing in cost since ~2020. It's completely impossible to buy a new car under $15,000 in Europe at the moment, they basically don't exist. In India it's possible to buy a local adaptation of a small Suzuki for $5,000. It's basic but it's sturdy, works, and is cheap enough for more or less anyone to afford it.
I know I'll be forced to get an automatic EV eventually, but I don't care as long as I can ride.
Let’s put on our future goggles.
A hundred years from now a woman says—-
The Corpse Flower, is in bloom!!!
Her husband takes his smart watch and says
Summon me a Hertz e-chariot!!!
Down from the rental lot comes a Super Suburban all charged up full as a tick and off they go to St Louis.
Then it brings them home and goes back to the lot.
$20 plus 5 cents a mile.
We won’t want to own as many Suburbans, you know?
Well run coal plants aren't the issue at all. C02 from burning coal is so exaggerated its almost a hoax.We humans are selfish bastards.
We love old Number One in the mirror, we surely do.
My favorite example is the modern leaf blower. A machine expressly designed to blow your leaves on somebody else’s property.
If our cars burn gasoline, or if they use electricity generated by a coal plant, we don’t see the pollution.
My wife and I happened on a huge coal plant down by the bootheel in a place so poor and destitute there were still sharecroppers shacks right out of Song of the South still standing. No doubt it had to be largest (maybe only) employer for miles around.
That is the beauty of electric cars.
They will all travel three or four times further on the same amount of energy and it’s possible to put a lot of windmills in the same poverty stricken places there used to be coal plants.
Forget about people giving a rat’s ass about generations yet unborn.
Electrics make a cleaner present.
Our atmosphere is a C02 processing machine. The planet has been dealing with quartillions of tons of C02 for billions of years.
Just ONE of thousands of major volcanic events produced many times the C02 than the C02 produced in all of human history. And there have been thousands of those volcanic events.
Its pretty arrogant to believe our little coal factories and automobiles have even close to the same impact as when the continents were formed by volcanoes that turned night into day, thousands of times over billions of years. That entire time, life flourished.
C02 is not dangerous to humans until it reaches 5000pmm. If our industry and coal use was like it was in the 1970, it would take literally billions of years to become dangerous. And then, its not even that bad to humans.
The zealots just say CARBON because people associate carbon with carbon MONOXIDE. C02 is carbon DIOXIDE, much, much, much less dangerous than carbon monoxide. I cannot tell you how many people believe C02 is what kills people in their homes when the furnace is on the fritz.
Again, our planet is a C02 filtering machine. In a million years we couldn't overpower that with coal fumes.
Does C02 from petroleum affect our planet in any negative way? Maybe, but science doesn't show that in any peer reviewed, unbiased studies.
Our planet has volcanoes.
The planet has learned to deal with Co2 levels FAR above anything we could produce.
All the coal plants in the US aren't as bad for our planet as just a couple pharmaceutical companies in India.
From overgrowth of deadly bacteria, to people and animals becoming tolerant to antibiotics, uncontrolled pharmaceutical plants are a cancer on this planet.
Ive never once heard a politician say a word about these manufacturers. Because the politicians get paid by these same companies.
During the Obama era they changed the narrative from global warming, to climate change. Why?
The dumbest words uttered by a human are, "we need to stop climate change". Even slowing climate change would cause catastrophic death.
The facts are out there. It has been so ingrained in people, its hard to explain it.
A good place to start is Randall Carlson. He is NOT a climate scientist. His work with ice cores and....other stuff is undeniable.....mostly.
Many of his theories have not been proven, but many have. He was a pioneer in the Younger Dryas theory which main stream science now agrees with. His work on the great flood theories, and the effects of C02 are eye opening.
Short version
This earth is 4.5 billion years old. It was all water.
2,000 years ago the Romans built docks still in use today.
My wife is an environmentalist.
She insists on driving the largest three ton SUV sold.
Because we can afford one.
I refuse to believe humans can permanently alter a 4.5 billion year old ecosphere if we tried using nuclear weapons. The earth is vast and we are very small.
But of course we can and we do, shat in our own nest. We do pollute our habitat.
Nobody is actually for, burning coal or oil or even wood. We do that because it has been the cheapest fuels.
If cold fusion comes, all of us are saved. We’ll be like the Romans who did not meter the aqueducts. Every home will use all the juice they want like we use the internet all we want.
Until then, Elon Musk has sold seven million electrics and he’s the richest man who’s ever lived because of it. As much as he blows through billions he may die as broke as Tesla but next year he’ll sell almost two million electrics to delighted, famously loyal customers.
AI Overview
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Tesla has sold over 7.2 million vehicles since its inception, according to Investing.com. In 2024, they delivered 1,789,226 vehicles globally. Their best-selling model is the Model Y, followed by the Model 3.
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Elon has a problem, because the makers of the Model T have woke up.
There’s a buttload of money to be made selling electrics to people who hate electrics and do not care a rat’s ass about ecology.
I mean, I’ve dreamed about my own 427 Cobra for sixty years and I’ll never have one.
But my next Ford might run like one.
I believe I've told this here before, but maybe not.Short version
This earth is 4.5 billion years old. It was all water.
2,000 years ago the Romans built docks still in use today.
My wife is an environmentalist.
She insists on driving the largest three ton SUV sold.
Because we can afford one.
I refuse to believe humans can permanently alter a 4.5 billion year old ecosphere if we tried using nuclear weapons. The earth is vast and we are very small.
But of course we can and we do, shat in our own nest. We do pollute our habitat.
Nobody is actually for, burning coal or oil or even wood. We do that because it has been the cheapest fuels.
If cold fusion comes, all of us are saved. We’ll be like the Romans who did not meter the aqueducts. Every home will use all the juice they want like we use the internet all we want.
Until then, Elon Musk has sold seven million electrics and he’s the richest man who’s ever lived because of it. As much as he blows through billions he may die as broke as Tesla but next year he’ll sell almost two million electrics to delighted, famously loyal customers.
AI Overview
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Tesla has sold over 7.2 million vehicles since its inception, according to Investing.com. In 2024, they delivered 1,789,226 vehicles globally. Their best-selling model is the Model Y, followed by the Model 3.
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Elon has a problem, because the makers of the Model T have woke up.
There’s a buttload of money to be made selling electrics to people who hate electrics and do not care a rat’s ass about ecology.
I mean, I’ve dreamed about my own 427 Cobra for sixty years and I’ll never have one.
But my next Ford might run like one.
In 2022 at Ford Fest in Bowling Green Kentucky I saw one of the worse, and honestly most comical things I've ever seen.
There is always a show within the show that is just for original 1st gen mustangs and Shelbys.
A guy brought his survivor 1970 Boss 429. It had a tiny bit of body repair and just enough new paint to color match it. The original 7 liter 429 with 20,000 miles.
At the end of day one, he wanted to show off by doing a burnout. He got both tires smoking at about 9000 RPM, made a big circle.....then rocketed in a straight line into the back of a double axle car trailer at about 30mph.
That was a $500,000 mistake I bet he wanted to erase. He got out of the car smiling and took it like a champ.
His only concern was what his wife wss going to say.
And he wished he brought his less desirable 1969 Boss instead of the exceedingly rare 1970.His name is Bob Earl, he has a very extensive car collection worth many millions. So fortunately his wallet wasn't hurt as bad as his pride.
I got that out of my system as a kid by driving a 1973 Chrysler Vista Cruiser with a 455 @ 128mph late at night on the highway ... the doors started to shake at 128 so I backed it down to 60. From then on I preferred big cars (rolling couches) that were comfortable and wished Castro Convertible made cars. To each his own. You could get a kit car of the Cobra as well but they are a bit pricey now too.
I do not want to make any political statements in violation of the rules but I believe something happened last week such that no new windmills will be built in the USA in the near future if ever. Review the news.
I am reminded of the old ballad Mama Don’t Allow.
One must take such blandishments seriously but never literally.
I can well imagine any federal subsidies will stop, and tabloid news channels will keep on with anti wind turbine propaganda, but for onshore wind turbines the utility companies will chug right along adding extra capacity.
The reason is cost—
How much does it cost to build a gas power plant? - Gas Turbine World - https://gasturbineworld.com/capital-costs/#:~:text=How%20much%20does%20it%20cost%20to%20build%20a%20gas%2Dfired,Gas%20Turbine%20World%202024%20Handbook.
How Much Does a Wind Turbine Cost? (2025)
A home wind turbine costs $20,000 to $80,000 for a complete wind power system large enough to meet an average home's full energy demands.
homeguide.com
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As for recycling old wind turbines they have exactly the same problem with old fiberglass boats. They have to chop them up and grind them up for paving.
Theoretically the wind turbines might stand for centuries, like the Dutch windmills.
But they are sort of like a computer, in that every couple of decades the technology advances so much and the cost of new ones fall so low they swap out old ones for new ones.
I wouldn’t try building new wind turbines where billionaires who own gold courses could see them.
But the places where farmers hit the jackpot whenever a utility company leases for wind turbines our in the heartland, is very, very pro wind.
And, wind and solar cannot replace building new gas turbines. They supplement gas plants as needed and allow gas plants to be taken offline.
Only from about 1959 to 1979.
Once upon a time at a Social Security disability hearing the judge had on a thousand dollar suit and a three hundred dollar pair of shoes and a hundred dollar shirt and a fifty dollar tie.
And when he opened his mouth out came the lilt of the Ozark uplands.
And when opened mine he asked, where did you graduate high school?’
I said Humansville and he said that’s not far from Marshfield is it?
I said I’d like you to review this file, for a period of closed disability.
My client was working at a wildcat sawmill, and a board bucked back and hit him in his testicles. It was a severe medically determinable impairment and quite painful. As a result he wasn’t able to return to the sawmill trade for over a year, but his wife stayed right by him, and she’s here today.
He said it’s usually hazardous to a marriage to bring your wife to a sawmill town.
I said only if she has a 14 carat mind.
He said let’s close this case out with a closed period award on the record, shall we?
I said thank you, your honor.
And he said did you happen to bring a guitar with you today, counselor?
And I said if I knew you were raised in Marshfield I would have.
He said give me a minute and went out to his Eldorado and brought in a nice Gibson and we entertained my client and his wife and his assistant, who I mist say was appropriately dressed to accompany a judge, she surely was indeed.
Sawmill
14 Karat Mind
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There aren’t many of us, but we’uns can spot each other, you know?