Ford Announces the Next Model T
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Great minds think alike... What you said is almost exactly what I was going to post. I don't own a Tesla but I have 2 sons who do (a model 3 and a Cybertruck) and both drive a lot of miles for their work. They say they're saving a fortune of fuel cost.
For years upon years, my friends who watch a certain cable news entertainment show (which is owned by the publishers of those newspapers you see in check out lines that read Batboy Returns) they hate on electric cars when we shoot skeet on Wednesday nights.
And some criticisms are true. The batteries are expensive. Range is a concern. They don’t love arctic cold.
And although they might see it as a virtue, they require 40% or so less highly paid union labor to make.
But the makers of electric cars need to get all the Miss Charlottes who teach seventh grades to bust it in every schoolchild’s heads the great advantage of electric cars is not they’ll save the planet, but they’ll save you tons of money.
They require three times less “fuel” (energy equivalents) than a piston engined car. An electric motor hooked straight to an axle takes three times less energy to operate.
You fuel an electric overnight in your garage or on the driveway. The fuel is cheap electricity all generated here in the USA.
And they all outrun sixties muscle cars.
Ford will spend 2 billion (two thousand million) on a Louisville assembly plant that only will hire two thousand UAW members.
They’ll spend three billion on a Michigan plant to make the batteries.
The first product will be a modular four door Ranger size pickup, with a bed and a “frunk”. Each end will be an aluminum stamping. The center section uses the battery (also modular with replaceable sections) as the passenger floor.
Since the first modern electric cars the price of batteries has decreased a staggering 90% and still falling like a stone.
FOTW #1354, August 5, 2024: Electric Vehicle Battery Pack Costs for a Light-Duty Vehicle in 2023 Are 90% Lower than in 2008, according to DOE Estimates
The Department of Energy’s (DOE’s) Vehicle Technologies Office estimates the cost of a electric vehicle lithium-ion battery pack for a light-duty vehicle declined 90% between 2008 and 2023 (using 2023 constant dollars).
The base battery on cheaper new electrics is about 50 kilowatt hours. The one I want is a 100, and like the horsepower race who knows where this ends.
But Ford’s new batteries are projected at $70 per kilowatt and if lithium keeps falling they might be as low as $45.
At $50, a 100 kilowatt battery only costs $5,000. And it will be in modules that cost some fraction of that to replace. No modern gas engine and transmission can possibly be built cheaper.
They’ll haul a butt load of shotguns in the locked “frunk”.
Ford is brilliant.
They are building a $30,000 Ranger 4 door for my buddies who hate electric cars.
Until they can figure out how to actually rapidly recharge batteries, internal combustion engines are here to stay.
Oregon has tried to go gangbusters on EV, but those pesky mountains keep screwing everything up. EV semi trucks are a non-starter in Oregon, and that's even if we had the power grid capacity to support them (which we don't).
EV farm equipment has a different liability... Weight. Compacting soil isn't good for fields. Here again, charge time is also an issue.
Lightweight, quick-change, cold-resistant, swappable batteries might be the wave of the future.
The ugly truth remains. Yes, by driving an EV, you are not emitting carbon (this ignores all the carbon used to produce the car and it's batteries), but the extra weight of EV's takes it's own toll on tire rubber, and that is the single largest producer of micro plastics in our water supply.
If you drive an electric vehicle out of some misguided attempt to save the planet, you are guilty of green-washing, whether you realize it or not. Without a 'clean' power grid, the emissions offset is negligible.
Wind and solar farms are not the answer. Nuclear is. I'm still waiting for the cold fusion plants of the future we were promised in the '80's.
Oregon has tried to go gangbusters on EV, but those pesky mountains keep screwing everything up. EV semi trucks are a non-starter in Oregon, and that's even if we had the power grid capacity to support them (which we don't).
EV farm equipment has a different liability... Weight. Compacting soil isn't good for fields. Here again, charge time is also an issue.
Lightweight, quick-change, cold-resistant, swappable batteries might be the wave of the future.
The ugly truth remains. Yes, by driving an EV, you are not emitting carbon (this ignores all the carbon used to produce the car and it's batteries), but the extra weight of EV's takes it's own toll on tire rubber, and that is the single largest producer of micro plastics in our water supply.
If you drive an electric vehicle out of some misguided attempt to save the planet, you are guilty of green-washing, whether you realize it or not. Without a 'clean' power grid, the emissions offset is negligible.
Wind and solar farms are not the answer. Nuclear is. I'm still waiting for the cold fusion plants of the future we were promised in the '80's.
I have a connected vehicle and one that is analog. I dislike knowing that somewhere, someone knows where I am and how fast I drove to get there. But the genie is out of the bottle on that one. I wonder if they can remotely shut off my car.
The other one needs a key to open and install in the key slot to start. Throw the phone in a faraday bag and hit the road.
I would like to get in a car that was fueled at my home, state the destination and relax while I got there as long as it wasn't hacked or hijacked en-route.
Electric costs have increased much faster than inflation and that's saying something. The push to increase infrastructure and alternative production isn't cheap. We live a few miles from a coal plant that was supposed to be mothballed a few years ago but somehow they keep it running. Wind turbines are in every direction from my house as I travel anywhere. There is also a large number of turbine blades in our landfill which I don't quite understand in the era of recycling and environmental mind speak. Other countries use unsustainable fuel sources for electrical production but it seems in the United States the expectation is it'll always be there when you flip the switch.
Gates is building a new style nuclear plant in the state, I'm a little conflicted on that one. LOL
Well that was a ramble
The other one needs a key to open and install in the key slot to start. Throw the phone in a faraday bag and hit the road.
I would like to get in a car that was fueled at my home, state the destination and relax while I got there as long as it wasn't hacked or hijacked en-route.
Electric costs have increased much faster than inflation and that's saying something. The push to increase infrastructure and alternative production isn't cheap. We live a few miles from a coal plant that was supposed to be mothballed a few years ago but somehow they keep it running. Wind turbines are in every direction from my house as I travel anywhere. There is also a large number of turbine blades in our landfill which I don't quite understand in the era of recycling and environmental mind speak. Other countries use unsustainable fuel sources for electrical production but it seems in the United States the expectation is it'll always be there when you flip the switch.
Gates is building a new style nuclear plant in the state, I'm a little conflicted on that one. LOL
Well that was a ramble
This is why Ford’s new 4 door E Ranger is so revolutionary.
It will do 0-60 faster than a Boss 429.
It will be many thousands cheaper than the same gasoline model on the lot.
And it has more range than the driver’s kids in the back allow.
Only 24 years separate a Model T from a 32 Ford V-8.
By the time I was born in 1958 my father had two magic carpet vehicles in our drive that would cruise all day at modern speeds and needed gassed every 200 miles.
People have been waiting for cold fusion all my life.
Fission reactors are so god awful expensive and subject to so many do gooders opposing them they died at Three Mile Island.
But when wind energy was new in the seventies you’ll see old movies with wind farms. Those windmills cost 5 million dollars each then. While we slept the last fifty years so to speak, those windmills cost 2.5 million and the lucky farmer who gets a lease has way more money to farm.
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A single modern, onshore wind turbine, with an average annual output of about 6,000 megawatt-hours (MWh), can provide enough electricity to power roughly 2,400 electric cars annually (at 2,500 kWh/car)
. However, the actual number varies depending on the turbine's size, the average energy consumption of the electric vehicles, how much energy is produced, and how the power is managed.
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For the last five or so years new build wind has become cheaper than nuclear—-two cents a kilowatt hour.
Plus wind goes where the farmers are delighted to see them. They sound like free money.
Electric cars virtually always (unless on long trips) charge during off peak hours at home.
Our children’s children will ask us, about our cars like my kids love to hear me talk about filing worn points, vapor lock, carburetors, and putting ash pans under cars in the winter so maybe they’d start.:
Gas cars and light trucks aren’t dead.
But whatever you see now on the lots is the last generation.
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I mean, saying a single truck puts out 600 MILLION TONS of C02 a year is understood as a joke by all but the most dull.....I would think.
In my opinion.
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Sometimes people take what I think are over the top obvious tongue in cheek posts dead serious. I think I need to start throwing in some emojis. How do you get the smiley face smoking a pipe emoji? I can’t find it.
These should last you a few postsSometimes people take what I think are over the top obvious tongue in cheek posts dead serious. I think I need to start throwing in some emojis. How do you get the smiley face smoking a pipe emoji? I can’t find it.
I'd advise a lease if you do choose to participate in this very expensive fad.
Thinking you'll make out financially by buying an electric car is magical thinking.
Pretty much all new cars are worse decisons than a trip to Las Vegas... But this is that times 10.
Thinking you'll make out financially by buying an electric car is magical thinking.
Pretty much all new cars are worse decisons than a trip to Las Vegas... But this is that times 10.
How do you get the smiley face smoking a pipe emoji? I can’t find it.
OK, I figured it out.
Anything that flies, floats, or f***s is much cheaper leased.
But our cars or trucks are part of our soul and identity here in Mericua.
The Model T was one and a half times the annual salary of an average worker.
My family bought a new 1908, then a 1912, a 1916, a 1920, and a 1924. The dealers would drive the new one out to the farm and the children would play all day and they’d take lots of pictures. By 1924 a new Model T was two thirds cheaper and wages (and inflation) had more than doubled.
The promise of Ford’s mid size E Ranger is affordability- $30,000, half the average salary.
There is no piston engine. My two V-8s will smoke any small block sixties muscle car and most of the big blocks. That hyper expensive part is gone.
There is no transmission like we know them. Torque is like five times a 426 Hemi. They would be undriveable without computer traction control.
Where Ford has an incomparable advantage is all the Ford dealers.
They can’t allow gouging. They’ll have to be good from day one. They’ll have to make lots of them to buy.
But the vehicles will sell themselves.
Having sold Fords, I can tell you these two are incorrect.
There are other studies out there. Such as: USA has the cleanest emissions in the world; the CO2 levels are at the lowest levels in the last 40,000 years (estimated); if we drop another 2.34% all life on earth will die out starting with plants; there has been a 40% increase in trees and foliage in the past few decades. The truth is out there but discerning it is the problem. Nature tends to heal itself as George Carlin impliedBeen on forums sinse AOL....and before. I use a smiley 99.9% of the time. EXCEPT when its so obvious its literally impossible not to understand.
I mean, saying a single truck puts out 600 MILLION TONS of C02 a year is understood as a joke by all but the most dull.....I would think.
In my opinion.
There was a tax credit in the U.S for a while too but I agree. They're a larger "luxury" sedan though. If we can keep ours going long enough they will eventually start to pay for themselves. They also require special tires and eat them like crazy but that's slightly offset by the lack of other maintenance.
I'd take Toyota Century over a Rolls Royce