Not interested. Probably never will be. And as for the green factor of an EV. I suspect that generating the electricity to charge the batteries, mining the minerals for the batteries (that will need to be replaced), shipping said minerals etc. eat up any carbon credits you think you are getting. I believe the same can be said for producing windmills and solar panels. Until someone points me to data that proves me wrong I say it’s all feel good propaganda. Not that I care about carbon emissions. But, for many it is a religion.
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Im with you however for me the time spent charging at the 300 mile interval kills the deal for anything but a vehicle dedicated to local use for my needs. If it cant make it from Richmond to NYC or Atlanta non stop without charging I don’t want it regardless of any positives it might have.I’m older than 600 mile range gasoline vehicles.
Our 2015 Suburban has a standard 31 (it’s actually maybe 33) gallon tank and even my lead foot wife gets over 20 miles to the gallon driving it hard on the interstate.
I can feather the throttle and hit 25 mpg.
My father’s 1965 Ford Galaxy 500 352 needed a drink less in less than 200 miles.
Some people from the Ozarks actually commute to Joplin or Kansas City. They don’t travel 300 miles a day.
It takes less money to make a 300 mile battery than a 500 mile battery and it’s hardly ever needed.
After almost all new cars are electric then they’ll upgrade the customer to the 500 mile battery the same was they upgraded my father from a six cylinder to a 352.
3 hours at 80 miles an hour is about all the range the passengers can stand.
I just love my latest Suburban.
A brand new 2025 just exactly like it with maybe some improved toys costs maybe $85,000 plus let’s pay sales tax so now we are almost $95,000.
The replacement cost of a transmission or new engine on a gasoline Suburban—-gasoline anything—is so great when they get down depreciated to where $25,000 buys a splendid, like new, geezer owned, full service records, cream puff Suburban they get a ride to the junkyard.
Not tomorrow, but someday—-
The United States Department of Transportation will require a standard group size for electric car batteries where one will fit any other vehicle with the same group size.
Exactly the same idea as the battery in my 2015 Suburban today—-
My 10 year old Suburban still has a GM Delco battery. It sure looks original.
America is still the shining city on the hill, and the last best hope for all mankind.
Missouri closed it’s last lead mine a few years ago, not because of do gooders or the dad blasted gubberment.
We recycle all the old batteries into new batteries. We don’t really need brand new lead.
So someday it will be with big electric car batteries.
And when that happens, it will hurt Detroit.
The electric motors will last a million miles and can be rebuilt.
There won’t be slipping transmissions or noisy lifters.
It’s a good problem to think about, you know?
My son has a fancy gauge on his tricked out diesel pickup and going down the road it only uses just a few horsepower.
It’s no trick to make a 500 mile battery, a 750 mile battery.
But it’s sort of like my son’s 600 horsepower truck. How much battery will your customer pay for?
Plus a bigger battery adds weight. Dead weight the car has to push down the road.
And while I’m an old man I’m a young old man, just barely old enough to draw full Social Security.
In the sixties not one car or pickup on the road dared run 300 miles between Nickerson Farms or Stuckey’s.
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My Suburban has about twice the range of a Slant Six Dart.
Range is not a selling point of electric cars, I’ll admit.
But today while you have a hot dog the thing gets an 80% charge back.
And every night you sleep in your own bed at home your car charges up for peanuts—-less cost a mile than my father paid 60 years ago in his Galaxy,
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I agree with you 1000% on most of that and the US Military standard used to be 300 miles of range however that doesn’t get me to the beach and back or DC, Baltimore for a Ball Game or shopping without a charge. If I was to make a run to the Outer Banks, Myrtle Beach, Charleston SC etc same thing.My son has a fancy gauge on his tricked out diesel pickup and going down the road it only uses just a few horsepower.
It’s no trick to make a 500 mile battery, a 750 mile battery.
But it’s sort of like my son’s 600 horsepower truck. How much battery will your customer pay for?
And while I’m an old man I’m a young old man, just barely old enough to draw full Social Security.
In the sixties not one car or pickup on the road dared run 300 miles between Nickerson Farms or Stuckey’s.
Nickerson Farms - Wikipedia
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Stuckey's - Wikipedia
My Suburban has about twice the range of a Slant Six Dart.
Range is not a selling point of electric cars, I’ll admit.
But today while you have a hot dog the thing gets an 80% charge back.
And every night you sleep in your own bed at home your car charges up for peanuts—-less cost a mile than my father paid 60 years ago in his Galaxy,
Now for around town and running to Lowes or Home Depot sure it would be a great tooling around vehicle but for anything else it just kills it for me. Out running a Hurricane in an Evacuation or making a non stop run to Gatlinburg if the need arises it just cant be done as of yet without charging.
I just love Google AI
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The Lucid Air Grand Touringcurrently boasts the longest range among electric vehicles, with an EPA-estimated 512 miles on a single charge. Other EVs with impressive ranges include the Mercedes-Benz EQS, Tesla Model S, and Rivian R1T.
Here's a more detailed look:
Longest Range EVs (2025 models):
- Lucid Air Grand Touring: 512 miles (EPA estimated)
- Mercedes-Benz EQS: Up to 481 miles (depending on the specific model and testing conditions)
- Tesla Model S: Up to 410 miles (EPA estimated)
- Rivian R1T (Max Battery): 410 miles (EPA estimated)
- Chevrolet Silverado EV: Up to 493 miles (EPA estimated, though some trims have lower ranges)
- Cadillac Escalade IQ: Up to 465 miles (EPA estimated)
- GMC Sierra EV: Up to 460 miles (EPA estimated
There is a reason Elon has a harem in Texas and his own space plane and rocket ships and can buy himself a gubbermint job.
Range is the new horsepower race for electrics.
Elon makes the only —beep beep—Road Runner 400 mile rated electric.
This is where Ford has an advantage.
To a car designer, I’d guess a battery tray is about the cost of a gas tank.
Make the Turnpike Cruiser Ford with the Police Pack extra range 600 mile battery optional.
Heavy duty shocks, and a built in spotlight.
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The real winners to electric cars are the utility companies.
For as long as there has been universal electric service to homes and businesses, they have to build for peak load on a hot summer weekday in the afternoon when Mama runs the washer and dryer and electric stove and has the A/C cold enough to cool her precious babies who are all playing on electric gadgets, and Daddy is still at work where they are also draining power.
Then the sun goes down, it gets cooler, everybody goes to sleep, and electric demand is nearly nothing until the next morning.
All that capacity is just wasted:
They can stick windmills out in the boondocks and generate power for 2 cents they can sell all night long for 10 cents, to recharge all those electric cars.
And then they have extra capacity for peak loads.
The losers will be the oil barons, but they’ll get by all right for a long time.
The massacre will be corner gas stations.
They’ll have to be Buck-ee’s size, or die.
For as long as there has been universal electric service to homes and businesses, they have to build for peak load on a hot summer weekday in the afternoon when Mama runs the washer and dryer and electric stove and has the A/C cold enough to cool her precious babies who are all playing on electric gadgets, and Daddy is still at work where they are also draining power.
Then the sun goes down, it gets cooler, everybody goes to sleep, and electric demand is nearly nothing until the next morning.
All that capacity is just wasted:
They can stick windmills out in the boondocks and generate power for 2 cents they can sell all night long for 10 cents, to recharge all those electric cars.
And then they have extra capacity for peak loads.
The losers will be the oil barons, but they’ll get by all right for a long time.
The massacre will be corner gas stations.
They’ll have to be Buck-ee’s size, or die.
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Proven facts.
Money making scams all around.
Pollution is the real deal, carbon emissions, not so much.
My brother is a car guy.
We grew up finding and building old muscle cars, square body Chevys, and any cool old vehicles.
About 10 years ago he bought a Tesla model S. He's on his second model S now, and bought his girlfriend a Cadillac Lyric EV.
But he also has a Ford F150 Raptor, a few muscle cars, a highly modified Silverado diesel with 1000+HP, and for some reason a 20 year old Maserati that runs about 40% of the time. But that's just Maserati stuff, there's nothing "wrong" with it.
He has the Tesla specifically because it goes 0-60 in 1.9 seconds.
His girlfriend just liked the "looks" of the Caddy EV.
My point is, not everyone who owns EVs are doing it for the same reasons.
His Silverado alone puts an estimated 600 million tons of carbon in the atmosphere a year!!
We grew up finding and building old muscle cars, square body Chevys, and any cool old vehicles.
About 10 years ago he bought a Tesla model S. He's on his second model S now, and bought his girlfriend a Cadillac Lyric EV.
But he also has a Ford F150 Raptor, a few muscle cars, a highly modified Silverado diesel with 1000+HP, and for some reason a 20 year old Maserati that runs about 40% of the time. But that's just Maserati stuff, there's nothing "wrong" with it.
He has the Tesla specifically because it goes 0-60 in 1.9 seconds.
His girlfriend just liked the "looks" of the Caddy EV.
My point is, not everyone who owns EVs are doing it for the same reasons.
His Silverado alone puts an estimated 600 million tons of carbon in the atmosphere a year!!
I'll ride a bicycle before I own and electric car, both for financial and other reasons.
Ooooh, science. Of course.
In 2021, the state of Texas produced 612 million tons of carbon emissions. I think it's estimated to be around 660 million tons per year.
In second place... your brother's Silverado.
California places a distant 3rd place, producing 326 million tons annually.
Can you blame me for being a teeny tiny bit skeptical? There's "trust the science," and then there's "trust me, bro," and the two are not always the same thing.
You do understand humor dont you?
That's called a joke, its meant to be funny.
See, the point was to choose a number that is so absurdly high as to make people smile.
I make jokes like this at LEAST 3,284 times a day here.....minimum.
Now, this post may be considered humorous by some.
The "humorous" part here is that im explaining this to you like you're 2 years old, AND the absurd number of times I say I joke on this site daily.
Its a two parter.
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I read where they’ve discovered a super sized lithium deposit in Arkansas.
When Henry Ford made the first Model T aluminum was a semi precious metal. Jewelers sold aluminum jewelry and rings.
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The lithium market is experiencing a major price decline due to rising supply and weaker demand. In February 2025, the lithium carbonate CIF North Asia price fell below $10,000 per metric ton, dropping 4.5% to $9,550/t. This is the lowest level since February 2021. Analysts expect further cuts in production throughout 2025 to balance the market.
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As the price of lithium batteries keeps on falling due to increased supply and the price of solar shingles keeps falling towards the price of asphalt shingles our kids or grandkids may operate their cars for free.
Well, unless they go see Grandma and Grandma.
Eventually the family that owns Buck-ee’s might buy Tesla.
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Vast deposit of 'white gold' in Arkansas could be stunningly valuable
The catch: figuring out how to extract that much lithium without wreaking havoc on the environment and the water table.
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When Henry Ford made the first Model T aluminum was a semi precious metal. Jewelers sold aluminum jewelry and rings.
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The lithium market is experiencing a major price decline due to rising supply and weaker demand. In February 2025, the lithium carbonate CIF North Asia price fell below $10,000 per metric ton, dropping 4.5% to $9,550/t. This is the lowest level since February 2021. Analysts expect further cuts in production throughout 2025 to balance the market.
Lithium Prices Crash Below $10K, Hitting a 4-Year Low: Will the Market Rebound?
Lithium prices plunged below $10K per ton, hitting a 4-year low. Oversupply, weak China demand, and more fuel the slump. What’s next?
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As the price of lithium batteries keeps on falling due to increased supply and the price of solar shingles keeps falling towards the price of asphalt shingles our kids or grandkids may operate their cars for free.
Well, unless they go see Grandma and Grandma.
Eventually the family that owns Buck-ee’s might buy Tesla.
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My wife has a new Honda hybrid, 38 mpg when doing 80mph…..the computer says we get 170mpg when in the city driving under 35 mph. How long that free city driving lasts, idk, our city is 2 miles long. The back up Darth Vader sound is worth all the monies.
I found the work around to make it to Atlanta without charging!
Hear me out ……..
Hear me out ……..
Perceived savings though are a little fugazi depending on what combustible you would have otherwise purchased.
I bought a new commuter car in 2018 for about $18,000. It gets 42mpg and currently has 80,000 miles on it which means Iv spent about $6,000 in fuel for its life putting me at about $24,000 in purchase price and gas.
The base model Tesla 3 in 2018 retailed at $46,000. I’ll have to run my car for another 250,000 miles before the Tesla would have been justifiably cheaper financially compared to what I bought over the life of the vehicle.
I bought a new commuter car in 2018 for about $18,000. It gets 42mpg and currently has 80,000 miles on it which means Iv spent about $6,000 in fuel for its life putting me at about $24,000 in purchase price and gas.
The base model Tesla 3 in 2018 retailed at $46,000. I’ll have to run my car for another 250,000 miles before the Tesla would have been justifiably cheaper financially compared to what I bought over the life of the vehicle.