Gawith Hoggarth Extra S Brown Pigtail Twist

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Briarcutter

Lifer
Aug 17, 2023
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But that's not how it was in the Good Old Days.

Back then they used A/lamda Ultra Premium Extra Virgin oil, and the presses were weighted with gold bars and piles of loose diamonds.
Or.......they could use those same presses to make their own fresh olive oil daily🤔
 

MisterBadger

Lifer
Oct 6, 2024
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Richmond B. Funkenhouser said:


What kind of oil is used?

Used motor?

I do like the ropes though.
I'm curious as well. Thought I read or watched something about them using olive oil. Something might've changed though
Hey, this is a very traditional firm we're talking about, using very traditional methods: Motor cars, and even the sump drainings from the same, would have been a relative rarity in Kendal until after the Great War. Too modern by far. It could be argued with some credibility, however, that the oil from stationary steam engines is employed in the process, as steam power had ceased to be a novelty by the early years of the 18thC.

Even so, such machines would originally have been lubricated with whale oil, which today is an amazingly expensive product. Claims of rancidity may possibly be attributable to G&H substituting mineral oil, which would probably indicate that the offending twist had been stored no longer than somewhen around the end of the 19thC, when mineral oil became the cheaper machine lubricant. Real connoisseurs will no doubt be able to tell the subtle differences between the two kinds of sump oil used, in blindfold tests (this needs further research).

I cannot imagine thrifty Northerners (I am one) going to the expense of importing olive oil. In my childhood in Lancashire in the 1960s, olive oil was generally only available in small quantities from chemists' shops, for medical purposes. Mutton fat, beef dripping or butter were the preferred lubricants - and that was when we hadn't been at war with France and Spain for a century and a half. Since the Treaty of Vienna, we had slowly learned once more what an olive was, but only ever used the little green ones for some reason, to impale on sticks in Martinis and the like. That was considered the acme of sophistication.

Seriously, though, animal fats are clearly not part of the recipe, either. It is my belief that the firing, steaming and twisting processes release essential oils from the tobacco itself. Maybe with a bit of machine oil casing too. But whatever it is, I love the stuff.
 
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condorlover1

Lifer
Dec 22, 2013
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I have been smoking the Black Twist since at least the mid 1980s when it came wrapped in silver and waxed paper with the sticky label. I have not notice a really great change in the stuff and I do believe olive oil is what they cover the stuff with during the process. It does make the stuff shiny and keeps it very flexible for long periods of time. I have jarred stuff going back to 2012 and it all seems to taste the same way to me. My only comment is that it doesn't seem as tightly spun as it was years back but then the Hogwarts crew seem to be forever trying to improve on what is in my mind perfect. Maybe they are using oil from the local 'Chippy' these days!
 

cosmicfolklore

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I do believe olive oil is what they cover the stuff with during the process.
The only thing in question is the olive oil. And GH says you're wrong. Although, I am curious what type of oil it is that they use.

if the older GH blends in their present composition really do go back two centuries or more, the addition of rose geranium or tonquin in those Lakeland blends and 1792 might originally have been mainly to make the room note less unpalatable to ladies,
I've always found it interesting that men chose smells that they think will attract women. I mean, It has never dawned on me what another guy would think about my cologne. But, women... they chose smells that appeal only to other women. Flowers and shit like that. Smells that aren't awful, but I don't want perfume smells in my car for very long after she gets out.
But, if a woman really wanted to wear a smell to attract men, why not go full on barbeque, fresh mowed lawn, or wet leather smells?

It does sort of make sense that a man thought... "she always complains about my smelly tobacco. She likes soaps, so maybe if I put the soap in the tobacco...." That tracks...
 

Brad H

Lifer
Dec 17, 2024
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The only thing in question is the olive oil. And GH says you're wrong. Although, I am curious what type of oil it is that they use.


I've always found it interesting that men chose smells that they think will attract women. I mean, It has never dawned on me what another guy would think about my cologne. But, women... they chose smells that appeal only to other women. Flowers and shit like that. Smells that aren't awful, but I don't want perfume smells in my car for very long after she gets out.
But, if a woman really wanted to wear a smell to attract men, why not go full on barbeque, fresh mowed lawn, or wet leather smells?

It does sort of make sense that a man thought... "she always complains about my smelly tobacco. She likes soaps, so maybe if I put the soap in the tobacco...." That tracks...
I vote for a tobacco scented soap.
 
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