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New GBD Pipes. Any Experiences ?

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  1. mluyckx

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    I know a lot of people have older GBD pipes and especially the pre-Cadogan era.
    But my question here pertains to the new GBD pipes.

    Who has one and what is/was your experience ?

    Here is what I am considering for my March 1 PAD purchase. Yes I'm a sucker for amber stems

    If experiences or recommendations are not that positive for the GBD's, it'll be a trusty Peterson

    "The fact is, squire, the moment a man takes to a pipe, he becomes a philosopher. It's the poor man's friend; it calms the mind, soothes the temper, and makes a man patient under difficulties. It has made more good men, good husbands, kind masters, indulgent fathers, than any other blessed thing on this universal earth."
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    I don't know about GBDs at all, but I do know that a Pete is always good bang for the buck, and their higher end lines are awesome!

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    I like the look of the GBD's and would like one someday..but for now, my Peterson's are awesome. No complaints at all.

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  4. mluyckx

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    Let me clarify..

    I know the Peterson will be a good pipe. I love the ones I have. But right now, the Pete is a backup plan if the feedback would be not so good on the GBD's. I have 4 Pete's already and wanted to add some other makers to the collection. Just perusing, those GBD's caught my eye.

    So I'm scouring the world wide inter thingy to find more about them, but most of what I find is about the pre-Cadogan era. Very few, if any, good review of the new ones.

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    Buy a GBD pipe at P&C today and get a tin of free H&H baccy

    If at first you don't succeed, have another bowl.
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  6. mluyckx

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    Nsfisher.. I know it's why I'm looking at it. And some more H&H to it at 29% off ...

    I may just go ahead and click "check-out" here... and I'll be the first to write a "new era GBD review".

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    I would not buy one, that I did not personally hold and inspect. That goes for any new pipe. If I trusted a seller, and they provided detailed descriptions, and pictures I might buy one, I think Smoking Pipes does a decent job with the descriptions they provide for estates. Then again I am biased, I rarely buy new pipes from any factory. What is the price point?

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  8. mluyckx

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    I was waiting for the resident GBD expert

    HnryClay: The new GBD is just below $100 and comes with a free tin of H&H right now. The Pete is about $40 more expensive, but I trust the seller that has a Pete and I've talked to him repeatedly. It's the same guy I got my Pete Royal Irish from.
    The GBD's are with P&C and they have a pretty good return policy in case I don't like it.

    So yes, they're expensive pipes (at least in my dictionary), hence I wanted to get some opinions.

    I agree I would prefer to buy pipes I can hold, touch and inspect, but with so many pipes going over eRetailers, it's getting more and more difficult.

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    Don't get me wrong they look nice on the pics you have shown. The older GBDs had no fills. None. The stems were hand cut, all of the stems not just on the higher end pipes. The Virgin lines were literally perfect briar, the Prehistorics, which I prefer might not have had the best looking grain so they were given a nice even sandblast, that made them lighter, and in my opinion smoke cooler.There are a lot of GBD seconds that flood ebay from the glory days because they simply did not sell bad briar. The post merger pipes did not maintain that dedication to quality. So you might get a great pipe with little or no fills, or you might get one that has fills all over it cleverly disguised. This is not just a GBD issue, I have Petes, and Savs that suffer from fills. My gut feeling is buy the Pete if you trust the seller, maybe pick up a GBD when you can inspect it close up. I have seen very nice looking new GBDs, and I have seen utter abortions. You could not tell one from the other without a close inspection, and a pipe cleaner test.

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    I have a newer GBD prince, but it's not a great smoker. Worlds apart from my three pre-Cadogan era GBD's. I bought this from another forum member cheap ($25). For that price, I have no complaint, but wouldn't pay the $75-$100 they are asking new.

    Al

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  11. mluyckx

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    HnryClay, I completely agree !

    But I've seen this decline with all major brands. I've seen horribly drilled Petes and Savs. I also have a 1947-1949 pre-republic Pete which is a dream. OTOH, my 999 Harp smokes better with a more open draw than the Harp XL02. So even in the same brand, the same finish line, some of them are better than others.

    For the price of the Pete in the picture above, I can buy the GBD and add a cheaper one to the mix. Or stock up for the cellar. Note that the list price of the GBD's above is $160, which is the same list price as that Pete. It just happens the GBD's are on sale.

    Do you have any post-Cadogan GBD's ? And if so, are they, in your opinion, of lesser quality than let's say a Pete, Savinelli or Stanwell of the same price ?

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    The last GBD I have added is a Export 8341 and it is a good smoker . It was purchased new about two years ago . I do not know how old the stock was . All of the GBD pipes I have are good smokers . Only the prince is picky about what tobacco it likes . I say nine good pipes from one brand is a sure bet . I hope this helps .

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    I do have a few, and one is nice, it is a 9438 in a smooth finish. It smokes great, but is not finished to the same degree of the pre-Cadogan pipes. I have another 9438 that gurgles like it is drowning, this one is an early 90's model. The draw is good but the tenon hole was drilled to long, moisture accumulates in the space where the stem should be flush with the tenon. I have a bent bulldog a 549 shape that smokes good but has a few fills, and not altogether pleasing lines. I did not pay more than $20.00 for any of the above pipes. Check your PM for what I would buy if I was looking. Did not want to post on the board in case anyone else might have been looking.

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    Hnry: Got PM and responded The one I'm looking at here is a 9438 as well. About the gurgle, once again if I may compare to my Petes, my Royal Irish 999 gurgles more than my Harp 999. And it's more expensive to boot ! It's because the moisture trap on the higher end pipes is actually bigger than on the cheaper lines. But with some good dry tobacco, it's controllable and it honestly doesn't bug me all that much. Gurgle, pipe cleaner down the stem, little twist, no more gurgle And I usually only have to do it once 3/4 through the bowl.

    Igloo: Thanks for that. Are all your nine Cadogan era ? Or are there some older ones in there ?

    Al: That does look like one in the line I'm looking at. But I'm looking at a Rhodesian

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    I dont know how old they are . All are made in England except the Gigante which was made in France . It is very hard to date GBD most I believe if not all are pre Comoys merger 1981 . Or that may be just a hopefull pipe dream . The ones I believe to be older are not as shiney and have darker stain . I have also heard both ways about dating with the stem insert logo . Expert on GBD Iam not .

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    Don't know the brands by the way they smoke, but I can tell ya that bulldog is a beaut.

    Looks worth $160 to me.

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    I have a new GBD set of 3 churchwardens and they smoke great and seem to be well made.

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    I'm going to get a GBD Rhodesian later on this year. I read bad reviews about the new Ben Wades and the one that I bought is a great smoker, so I would expect nothing less from the GBDs.

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    Now I'm confused, I'd that second pic a bulldog our a Rhodesian?

    curious to know if the rings are real gold or not too

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    For me: Round shank = Rhodesian

    The only way I can remember but I know it's sometimes hotly debated

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    Iam taking Henry with me next time I get a new pipe for a proper inspection . He sounds sounds like he knows what to look for .

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    Iam taking Henry with me next time I get a new pipe for a proper inspection .

    Igloo my friend I am just a poor guy stuck in middle management that has to watch his pennies...lol Honestly I really do care about quality pipes, and I do not like the way some manufacturers have cheapened the processes, although it does allow more people to buy into the hobby at a lower cost. For what it is worth fills smoke fine, they just do not look good. The same goes for ill cut stems, and sloppy takes on classic shapes. As long as the draw is good, and the briar is of good quality, which would cost more in the raw than a lot of finished pipes several manufacturers are selling now, the pipe will smoke fine. If any one is curious look at how much unfinished quality briar goes for, and ask yourself how a new pipe can be made for less than $100.00.

    I'm going to get a GBD Rhodesian later on this year. I read bad reviews about the new Ben Wades and the one that I bought is a great smoker, so I would expect nothing less from the GBDs

    You can find good examples I am sure of it, just make sure you have the pipe you want in your hands or deal with a retailer you trust. Again I have found Smoking Pipes individual pipe descriptions honest, and I have no affiliation with them. Most if not all current factory producers are putting out some clunkers, buyer beware. However we are very fortunate to have some of the best American carvers producing pipes that are true values, and works of art.I hold the vintage English briar close to heart, as an example of what industry could create when people strove to produce the best product, not the most profit. I you really want a good rhodesian and who would not? Then buy an estate GBD 9438. This pains me to no end, since I snatch these up every chance I get but brother to brother I will tell you I know of no finer example of this shape regardless of price in the world of pipes. Our own G.L. Pease has written an article about the pipe on his website. Just don't let the word spread around too much, if they keep going up on EBAY I will have to be content with the 10 I own, and that would be a sad day indeed.

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    So did you snatch modern Chicago's 9438 three days ago ?

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    I missed it!!! I was in Richmond on business. Whoever got it I hope enjoys it for another 50 years!

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    Buy one. I have about 10 GBD's and all are good smokers. At the risk of offending the Pete fans I'd take a GBD over them any day. My 3 Pete's aren't that great.

    Blowin' smoke since 1970.
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    Check out this pre-Cadogan era GBD prince, styled like mine but I bet this is a far better smoker. $100, seems like a decent price given it's condition?

    http://www.thepiperack.com/products/Estate-Pipe%3A-GBD-Virgin-Perspex-Prince.html

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    They look like nice pipes; probably as good as any Peterson or other pipe in the same price range. You should buy one and give it a try.

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    Well, I got suckered into it once again.... darn PAD

    As I was scouring the world wide internet and the Bay of E for GBD bulldogs and rhodesians, I came across an old Charatan. it does have the text "Charatan's Make" crossed out on the shank. I'm not quite sure why, but what I was told (and Dave Neeb seems to say so as well) is that when Dunhill acquired Charatan in 1978 they crossed out the "Charatan's Make" text on the shank. Feel free to enlighten me if I got that wrong.
    The seller also claims it is a Lane era Charatan, but that would not quite rhyme with the crossed out text I think.

    In any case, it looks like I got myself a nice pre-Dunhill Charatan bulldog for $33. Not a GBD, but hey.. one can't control PAD

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    That is a steal for that pipe! Congratulations, much better than a brand new pipe imo!

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  30. mluyckx

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    Thanks
    I am following a couple of GBD's out there, one a rhodesian, but with everything else I got coming, it looks like it going higher than my "allowance" this merry go round

    But I've learned something valuable via this thread and am keeping my eye out. Perhaps one day I'll get a new GBD to compare.

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    this is the first place i landed in this forum when searching for info about GBD pipes .
    i put a bit more info in my first post in the new members thread .

    i really like the looks of the GBD AUTUMN GOLD 943810 Rhodesian and the GBD CHANNEL 9438 Rhodesian
    maybe one day ...

    before i started taking a shine to the two pipes mentioned - i was stuck on billards and ended up getting a Graco SAFARI Billiard as my first new pipe since i started pipe smoking with a cheap no name billiard $ 35 from the local tobacconist about a year and a half ago

    the safari is due to arrive in about a week - i wish it came with an amber stem

    i think therefore i am - lighting it up again and again - that is my plight - caring not whether if i ever
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    I missed that new Charatan Mick, that is a beauty and I believe I was also watching it, nice grab! Old Charatans smoke equally as well as old GBD's in my experience.

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    It should be home waiting for me by now. I'll let you know how it smokes. I passed on the GBD and went for the flame grain Pete this time. Perhaps next month.

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    SmokingPipes.com listed a very nice GBD 9438 in Prehistoric finish. It has a replacement stem, but it appears to fit very nicely. $50 seems like a pretty good price as the pipe/stem are mint.

    http://www.smokingpipes.com/pipes/estate/england/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=94048

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    If you want a smoker ^^^^^ there she is.... I am now at collector status on these, as I have a lot of them, but if you want one just to smoke this is the perfect pipe IMO.

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    March PAD fund is gone with the Pete flame grain from this thread and the new BriarBird. Plus some estates and stuff. Drat......

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    They have the 9438 nicely described as well. It is just a little too long to be labeled a proper nose-warmer. I call it just right. I agree with hnryclay, that will be a fine smoking pipe.

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    @ Al

    i like the color of that 9438 but i don't know what it is called - is that just red or burgundy ?
    i ordered an unfinished pipe and i am thinking about staining it
    anyone have any advice about how to get that color etc ?

    thanks

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    All the PreHistorics are that color, I am smoking a Pot shape now. It is a reddish brown mahogany stain. They do not describe the color in this add http://pipepages.com/gbd11.htm but I think Mahogany describes it adequately.

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    thanks hnryclay

    i found this color guide and it looks like it is between the British tan and the mahogany brown
    or maybe the mahogany and the medium brown
    looks like you were right on
    i am not color blind like my father but i definitely have some type of color cognitive disorder
    i have never been able to tell if any clothing matches unless they are the same color - it doesn't make any sense to me and i am too lazy to try to remember any of it if that is what it takes

    wonder how it would turn out if you mix russet with british tan - probably too light ?

    http://www.riorondo.com/supplies/dyes.html

    on this next one it looks like it might be a mix of red and ox blood

    http://www.caning.com/Merchant2/merchant.mvc?Screen=CTGY&Category_Code=GRD-A2a

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    I've stained a pipe exactly once and I only have three Fieblings dye colors (Black, Oxblood and Med Brown), so I'm the last guy to ask. Hnryclay's reponse sounds accurate. My only Prehistoric finish GBD is more of a brown, that was the one I restained, using a lightened version of Medium brown.
    This was before I restained it:

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    i just don't know because it looks to me like at least some of those mahogany colors have more blue in them than it should to match up

    and i don't see much blue in that pipe
    maybe it is there and i cannot see it ? or maybe i see it but i don't want it there ?

    if i had plenty of doh ! to spare i would probably get several dyes and try them but i want to get only two at the most and just do it

    i suppose i can just sand, wax and polish without staining it - then later if i wanted to i could just start over couldn't i ?

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    I own to GBD pipes on bent and straight style. The bent style I bought new and it smokes great. I've never had any problems with wither one. The straight GBD pipe I won online and did a refurbish process on it and it smokes great too. I also think their prices are reasonable.

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    Another interesting GBD at SmokingPipes.com this evening. Unsmoked at $55, seems like a good price for a nice pipe.
    http://www.smokingpipes.com/pipes/estate/england/moreinfo.cfm?product_id=91878

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    @ Al

    it said sold when i got to the web site to look at it
    let us know how it smokes - it looks sweet

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    Wasn't me....

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