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  1. texmexpipe

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    I'm interested in finding a blend that consist of the typical english players, namely Latakia, that has a sweetness to it. In my imagination this would be a beautiful combination. I've heard of cross over blends but I'm not sure I'd this is reference to the mildness of a blend or its sweetness. I'm sure there has to be something out there worth giving a smoke that fits this idea.

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    There are many... my favorite was always C&D Epiphany... very mild on the flavoring, so maybe not as sweet as you would like, but quite tasty.

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    I would definitely avoid any English blend that has been laced at the factory. Far better is to buy one you like and add your own flavored aromatic and adjust to your taste. Vanilla and chocolate aromatics are two I recommend. You might start with Butera's #1, #2, Old Dublin, some of the Frog blends, Foxhound. Add Evening Stroll or Bob's Choc. Flake or buy your own aromatic bulk. Just remember the amounts you mix for the future. If you have ever smoked Pembroke, Reiner's Professional Blend, or one of the other excellent aromatics, you might consider using them. Good luck and let us know how you do.

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    I've got some Maple Street on hand and I've thoughg about mixing it in with some EMP or Yule Log. I'll have to give it a try soon. Also on my list of stuff to try out is a few teaspoons of bourbon over some of the Yule Log as it is quite dry.

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    I also like what are often referred to as "cross-over" blends. Among the ones I have in my rotation are C&D USS Mason, a Lat blend with brandy topping, Frog Morton On The Town, Two Friends' English Chocolate. all are very satisfying to me. Another blend I really like has no latakia but I find absolutely delightful is Rattray's Bagpiper's Dream. A Virginia blend with several cuts and a cognac topping. Wonderful smoke with a very pleasant room note.
    Good luck and have fun on your search.

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    [Anyone please correct me if I'm wrong.] English Blends are associated with having little to no flavoring and casing at all because of the purity laws that once existed in Great Britain. After a while Latakia became associated with them. By adding some flavoring the blender is just bridging the gap between aromatics and "English", so what makes it a crossover is the addition of vanilla, or cherry, or chocolate, etc. I don't necessarily think it's gonna be milder, but yes, It could be sweeter.
    As for recommendations, I agree that the Frog Morton series are a good bet. I also recommend Sam Gawith Perfection, and Two Brothers English Chocolate, but of course there are many other good ones. Can't wait to see what other people post.

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    There is a bulk blend at my B&M that I enjoy that is more of an oriental, but has a decent amount of lat in it; it still comes through, but the florals and the fruits are there. I'm sure there are lots of comparable blends available. Try searching on tobacco reviews.

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    Personally I like sweeter English blends but mainly when the sweet is in the form of Virginias. If you do want a mild topping, try Frog Morton's Cellar as others have said.

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    edwinbaz is on the correct track as far as strict definition of English blends. They do not necessarily have to contain Latakia and may use "natural" flavorings- think Lakelands. However, from what I gather the OP, to my mind, is interested in exploring the cross-over offerings and that's a great thing. Many of the old American blends from 50 and 60 years ago would be classified as cross-overs. edwinbaz is also very correct in opining that they may not be milder but I, for one, find them interesting and intriguing when done well.

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    How about Cornell and Diehl "Sweet English"? Comes in bulk.

    The folks at C&D start with a traditional American Cavendish base of Virginias, Burleys and Black Cavendish, add a dash of Latakia, and finish it with a specially formulated flavor mixture of caramel and vanilla.

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    4noggins Bald Headed Teacher.

    Mildly sweet, but as far as I know it does not have a topping.
    One of my favorites.

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    I've heard a good deal about bald headed teacher, it is certainly on my list. I went and read about C&D USS Mason and its on the list, as is FMC. Thanks for the great replies.

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    I'm interested in finding a blend that consist of the typical english players, namely Latakia, that has a sweetness to it.

    Dunhill Nightcap

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    Bosworth's Northwoods or Lancer's Slices Both are sweet and smokey Latakia blends.

    Northwoods is available only at Bosworth.

    Lancer's Slices are available at 4Noggins.

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    ruscho, I enjoy Night Cap a lot! But if like something along those lines with a more pronounced sweetness.

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    I found Balkan Saseni to be on the sweet side. No topping there, but just my impression of the blend.

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    I'll give a +1 for C&D Epiphany, it has a nice smokey sweetness.

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    Pembroke or Smokers Haven Cognac. Similar but different and both are very tasty.

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    McClelland green label Oriental #1,#6, 8, 12 and #14. Number 1 may be too mild but the others, while not powerhouses are pretty sweet to me and well worth a try.

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    I have been hunting english blends on the sweet side myself for the past 6 months. For a light smoke Frog morton cellar is a good choice but i find it to weak the flavour just is far from "full" enough. Maltese Falcon from GLP and Dunhill London mixture are my go to smokes through the day at the moment along with mm965

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    IMO You just can't beat Maltese Falcon.

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    Frog Morton's Cellar is good...but if you want a traditional "english" blend with some sweetness I think Frog morton on the town fits the bill. Dry it out just a bit, and it has a wonderful natural sweetness to it!

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    Sterling Tobacco's American Patriot is one of the sweeter English blends I've tried.

    Here's a review from a PipesMagazine.com article:

    American Patriot
    In keeping with the PipesMagazine connection, the last blend reviewed is American Patriot, a blend inspired by Penzance and concocted at the behest of forum member Marty Tannen ("mjtannen"). Not a clone of the Esoterica product, but inspired by it, American Patriot is a hearty English blend that should definitely appeal to adherents of that hard-to-find delicacy. Visually it’s a delight, a perfectly even mix of jet-black leaf and bright flue-cured and Oriental ribbon, packed loose and dry as opposed to Penzance’s moist wet flakes. In this lies its strength, as it lights, burns and draws infinitely better than that flake—often reaching the heel with a single light in fact—and delivers a decided Lat-bomb of flavor. The balance, like all of Jack’s efforts, is really quite perfect for the blend, and this should satisfy Latakiaphiles of all sorts, particularly those biding their time between Esoterica shipments.

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    ruscho, I enjoy Night Cap a lot! But if like something along those lines with a more pronounced sweetness.

    You are not going to find anything "typical english player" sweeter than Nightcap, that's a fact.

    People here tend to drift off and just list whatever they enjoy smoking, so most of the suggestions above will have absolutely no sweetness at all

    That said, your best shot would be a blend by McClelland called "Jenidje Highlander". I personally have not smoked this particular one, but I have tried the Jenidje Supreme - and that's one sweet sonofabish! The "Highlander" is apparently the "Supreme" with Latakia, so I would try this, if I were you. Now, how "English" it would taste, that's another story

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    Pipeworks & Wilke:

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    +1 to Pembroke, and I get some sweetness from MM965, one of my top 3 blends.

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    Nightcap is not sweet. Ruscho is playing head games with you, Texmexpipe.

    I humbly submit:

    Dunhil:l 965
    McClelland: 3 Oaks Syrian
    Butera Royal: Vintage Latakia No. 2
    Seattle Pipe Club: Mississippi River
    McClelland: Frog Morton's Cellar

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    +1 Perique

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    +1 to English Chocolate (Two Brothers)

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    ruscho, I enjoy Night Cap a lot! But if like something along those lines with a more pronounced sweetness.

    Srsly, try Newminister English Oriental and Arango Balkan Supreme then. Both are bulk only, about 36$ a pound. Sounds exactly like what you're looking for. I have both of them in my cellar and yeah, it's very nightcap like with sweetness.

    You are not going to find anything "typical english player" sweeter than Nightcap, that's a fact.

    I would disagree, both English Oriental and Balkan Supreme would be typical english players but sweeter than nightcap.

    C&D's Epiphany I have and it is not at all sweet.

    Lancers slices is smokey sweet and very enjoyable, I find it needs a bit of time though in a jar though, I just got a quarter pound of it and it has an ammonia kind of taste to it and a really nasty room clearing smell. I've had this happen though with other english bulk blends that goes away after a bit of time out in a jar.

    Mississipi River and Plum Pudding by SPC are both excellent also but totally different than the nightcap sweeter blend you seek.

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    Wow, lots of good suggestions here, some I will definitely be adding to my "try" list. One I enjoy is Sutliff's Balkan Luxury 957, has a good bit of Latakia yet some sweetness as well. Frog Morton Cellar, as others have mentioned, is a nice crossover blend.

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    For something completely different there is Two Friends Valle Crucis which is alt blend with a ginger note. It's a strange lend but there us something about it that appeals to me sometimes.

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    It is considered a Balkan blend but I immediately thought of Lane's Crown Achievement, the word "sweet" surfaces several times on page 1 of reviews, so I guess it isn't just me.

    http://www.tobaccoreviews.com/blend/657/lane-limited-crown-achievement

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    I mixed some Maple Street and Nightcap together tonight and got a bowl of night cap that bites. I wasn't too upset as it still largely tasted like night cap, and I only mixed up enough for a cob full. It wasn't bad but not what I'm looking for. I want a pronounced almost aromatic sweetness on top of that lat-bomb taste. Maybe I'm asking for a unicorn, the feedback that y'all have given is great!

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    C&D's Epiphany I have and it is not at all sweet.

    I would humbly disagree. It is not BCA sweet, but it is, IMO, a solid American/English blend with a subtle topping that adds a touch of sweetness.

    But I guess that's the point of all of this... taste is subjective and quite personal.

    One mans trash, and what not..

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    +1 Cobguy American Patriot is really good, but it reminded me a lot of a Frog morton blend which has been mentioned a lot here as well.

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    No mention of SPC MR? Seems it would fill the bill?
    whoops...I missed it in my first skim through...again...it's tobacco candy!

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    Petersons Balkan Delight to me has a definite sweet/salt toffee edge.

    +1 on SPC MR

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    I want a pronounced almost aromatic sweetness on top of that lat-bomb taste. Maybe I'm asking for a unicorn, the feedback that y'all have given is great!

    You are not looking for unicorn. Try the "Jenidje Highlander" and if it's not what you are looking for - I would eat my hat! The Orientals in it are soooooo sweet, I just can't finish my tin of Jenidje Supreme. Literally sweet as sugar, not flavored!

    People suggesting Frog Morton and bulk English blends are leading you down the wrong path, i.e. light blends, not sweet ones.

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    "Literally sweet as sugar, not flavored! "

    If it is that sweet then it has sugar added to it. There is no leaf out there that is sweet as sugar,naturally.

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    If it is that sweet then it has sugar added to it. There is no leaf out there that is sweet as sugar,naturally.

    Pipe tobacco has sugar added to it, regardless.

    This one is a mixture of sweet oriental and oriental cavendish, hence the extra sweetness. Is it topped? I don't think so. I get a tongue burn from any aromatic and this one is a cool customer. Just too sweet for my taste.

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    I've yet to explore the oriental blends but from all that I'm reading about them I think they will be something I enjoy.

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    Gatlin-Burlier's Cumberland (chocolatey, rasiny Flavored)
    The Smoker Wise Fox (not flavored, per say, but has alot of Black Cavendish)
    Yenidje Highlander (sweet, but not candy sweet. More like tangy sweet)
    H&H Mazatec (Mushroomy, earthy)
    C&D Epiphany (Quite a bit of burley, similar to Mazatec)
    Frog Morton Cellar (Whiskey Flavored)
    Chocolate Flake (Some chocolate taste, but kind of soapy)

    I really like Lat. forward blends that are flavored as well. Some just have more of certain tobaccos in them. Such as burley or orientals. Orientals are IMO tangy, not what I would call "sweet". I'm on the same hunt as you, and these are all different than Traditional "English" blends.

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    To me mixing aromatic with Latakia is like mixing Hershey's syrup with ketchup. Maybe it wouldn't be bad but it sounds too gross to try.

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    I don't find Nightcap to be sweet.

    I don't care for sweet latakia blends, but if I were to recommend two, it'd be GLP's Maltese Falcon and McClelland's Frog Morton Across the Pond.

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    Order some Shortcut to Mushroomms from 4HIM. Sweet yummy English Crossover.

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    I really like Maltese Falcon. The sweetness is all from the orientals and is not in your face. Tasty stuff. Pembroke is also pretty good if you want sweetness generated by booze (cognac, in the case of Pembroke).

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    Pardon me, but it sounds like an idiomatic exclamation: "Sweet Latakia!" Or, "Sweet Latakia in the Morning."

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    I find MM American Patriot to have some sweetness to it - it is bourbon topped. I agree on Maltese Falcon

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    Mso489, now that you mention it, it does indeed sound like an idiomatic exclamation. I think I'll add it to my rotation! Example; Sweet Latakia! That was a redonculous (way worse than ridiculous) line at the bank. Or: Sweet Latakia, that guy has the most mantastic beard ever.

    +35.5 for Mso's observation

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    I don't have a big selection of English blends. I've been smoking mostly vapers. However, the sweetest blend I have is White Knight. I love it. It has dethroned Early Morning Pipe as my morning smoke. It's like sweet incense but super mild and smokes cool. Also, I don't get the bitter taste at the bottom.

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    I'll (+1) on all of the Frogs, H&H Mazatec, and Gatlin-Burlier's Cumberland!

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    I'm surprised John Bull hasn't been mentioned yet. It's relatively sweet, with Black Cavendish, VA, burley and a hint of Latakia mostly for a bit of flavor. Not a lat bomb by any means, but a decent starter English. Relatively cheap as well.

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    +1 on the John Bull, that and HH ten to midnight are my suggestions. even being able to buy the 20 dollar a tin stuff, I still REALLY enjoy john bull.
    P.s. the john bull cigars arent worth it! hahaha had to say it somwhere.

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    Kinda late to this one but any Frog Morton should fit the bill...

    or if you really wanna try something go for C&D's Cross eyed cricket! Latakia fruit punch. Weird stuff but everyone should try it at least once!

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    My vote goes to Russ at P&C's new White Knight. A definite sweetness to go with the lat smokiness.

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    Is not an English mixture with sweet ingredient(s) called a Scottish blend?

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    For what it's worth, I really enjoy mans best friend from the fellas at sutliff...

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    Gotta' throw in another vote for SPC's Plum Pudding.

    I've been smoking this stuff like it was going out of style!

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    I find McClelland's British Woods to have a subtly sweet, almost lemony undertone clinging to the shirttails of the latakia. Not very pronounced, but always noticeable, and I'd guess more to do with the interplay of the virginias and orientals than just the Vas alone.

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    Iwan Ries Dr. Bradley is exactly what you're looking for. I love it. It is underrated.

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  62. pitchfork

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    Frog Morton Cellar (no Orientals, though).

    Also, Three Oaks Syrian is fairly sweet, and darn good in any case.

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    Esoterica's And So To Bed. Very sweet, and tasty. One of my favorites.

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    I've found that Lane Crown Achievement and Nightcap are a little on the sweet side. But don't know if you would enjoy them. Peter Stokkebye English Luxury and English Oriental are very sweet. They both have cavendish in them.

    If you want a really nice mild-medium English, I would highly recommend Sutliff's Kasimir. Very enjoyable dessert English.

    Stay away from SG Perfection.

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    I had a bowl of Mississippi River tonight and it really hit that sweetness thing for me. So did FMC. Thanks for all the great input.

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    Lane's "Crown Achievement" fits the bill nicely. Latakia, Perique, Orientals, and Virginias. First quarter of the bowl, you get the spiciness of the Latakia and Perique. As you make your way through it, the sweetness of the Orientals and Virginias begin to really make a strong showing.

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