I've arrived at the conclusion I don't really like butane lighters. Not the standard BIC type lighter but those solely for pipes like the Xikar I recently bought. they don't last anytime before you have to refill them again, unlike a Zippo. I have a Zippo pipe lighter but it's a little hard to get way down in the bowl with it. Moreover, with the butane you can forget trying to light up outdoors unless it's perfectly still. Any wind and you're out of luck.