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olkofri

Lifer
Sep 9, 2017
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I love being able to attach pics in this new forum!

Seems like in the old forum you had to sign some document with Satan, waive some Constitutional Rights, jump through flaming hoops on a skateboard...
Nah, nothing of the sort. The hassle was mostly, it seemed to me, with the individual member's gallery and then linking. I just uploaded all pics to my server and then used HTML: never an issue ('cept for those times my site was down).
 
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Chasing Embers

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Nov 12, 2014
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Nah, nothing of the sort. The hassle was mostly, it seemed to me, with the individual member's gallery and then linking. I just uploaded all pics to my server and then used HTML: never an issue ('cept for those times my site was down).
For me, uploading to the old forum album from my phone was nearly instantaneous. Now, it takes just over 60 seconds to load from my phone to a thread. ?
 
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georged

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Mar 7, 2013
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Once upon a time, since before the World Wide Web existed, in fact, pipe & tobacco forums were primarily a repository for information. The tone was more academic, research, and expert oriented. Threads stuck around and were referred to and added to.

The last great Old School threaded forum went away after a technical error erased the decades (centuries?) of man-hours that went into it. The "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" dynamic kept people from ever using it again in significant numbers.

At about the same time that occurred, so-called "social media" bloomed because storage and bandwidth stopped being consumer-level constraints. And as soon as that barrier fell, platforms were created to provide a steady stream of ephemeral content and reward participation. Platforms designed to exploit how human brains work.

Such platforms are great for harvesting personal information and creating vast numbers of addicts who will be forced to look at advertising all day long to receive their limbic hits, but not good for the sort of thing that threaded forums did so well.

In the dozen years or so since the shift began, a large percentage of the older gentlemen who had a lot to contribute to the subject of pipes and tobaccos aged out, while a large number of people who'd literally never seen a pipe in the wild came aboard. The latter were also people who'd grown up with social media and brought their expectations with them regarding technology and---especially---immediacy and convenience.

That a threaded-style forum exists at all in an age of mobile-using social media dominance is the surprising bit, not how repetitious or superficial it is. Kevin has given pipe smokers what they---in 2019---said they wanted. That it boils down to little more than running log of social back-and-forth is a sign of the times, not poor design or implementation.
 

daveinlax

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May 5, 2009
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Once upon a time, since before the World Wide Web existed, in fact, pipe & tobacco forums were primarily a repository for information. The tone was more academic, research, and expert oriented. Threads stuck around and were referred to and added to.

The last great Old School threaded forum went away after a technical error erased the decades (centuries?) of man-hours that went into it. The "fool me once, shame on you; fool me twice, shame on me" dynamic kept people from ever using it again in significant numbers.

At about the same time that occurred, so-called "social media" bloomed because storage and bandwidth stopped being consumer-level constraints. And as soon as that barrier fell, platforms were created to provide a steady stream of ephemeral content and reward participation. Platforms designed to exploit how human brains work.

Such platforms are great for harvesting personal information and creating vast numbers of addicts who will be forced to look at advertising all day long to receive their limbic hits, but not good for the sort of thing that threaded forums did so well.

In the dozen years or so since the shift began, a large percentage of the older gentlemen who had a lot to contribute to the subject of pipes and tobaccos aged out, while a large number of people who'd literally never seen a pipe in the wild came aboard. The latter were also people who'd grown up with social media and brought their expectations with them regarding technology and---especially---immediacy and convenience.

That a threaded-style forum exists at all in an age of mobile-using social media dominance is the surprising bit, not how repetitious or superficial it is. Kevin has given pipe smokers what they---in 2019---said they wanted. That it boils down to little more than running log of social back-and-forth is a sign of the times, not poor design or implementation.
I remember as a young collector having my wife (before we got married 30 years ago) downloading overnight at work and printing the forum digests for me the next day. When we got plugged in I'd sit quietly in chat rooms with some of the top collectors in the day just soaking it in. Some of those guys have passed to the smoke filled room in the sky and some who got board with the pipe boards years ago I see daily on Face Book. ?
 
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jpmcwjr

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May 12, 2015
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Yes, though the day of the clever troll is long gone. Nowadays, what some call a troll is actually a pest. And some pests are persistent, some are prolific, and some are very sick. Usenet is dead! Long live usenet! (I still participate in a few forums).
 
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mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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georged, that's an interesting commentary on the evolution of pipe sites online. I go back to 2013 here and wasn't participating before. I've noticed a small shift from members who smoke mostly high end artisan pipes to a wider swath with many estate pipe smokers, pipe restorers, moderately-priced pipe smokers, along with those who smoke high end pipes. However, I do not remember the old academic scholarly days; it's always been a pretty lively and varied group here, in my opinion.
 

Bengel

Lifer
Sep 20, 2019
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My question was ask in all seriousness, my snarkiness not meaning to offend, rather to let the air out, so we can be on the same level and talk to, not at, each other. As much as possible in this format ;)
 
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