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mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,212
60,620
I'd immediately put the legal staff to arranging a sale of the company so I could invest the money and/or put it into a business I understand. The whole Dunhill/ White Spot story is a marketing miracle that brilliantly elevated the prices of the pipes beyond imagination. Over-the-moon priced luxury goods are way out of my wheelhouse. I don't understand the products or the people who buy them, as a demographic. I'd have no business fiddling around with their business plan which works very well for what it is. And good luck to them.
 
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
20,715
49,043
Southern Oregon
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On a whim, I just checked out - https://www.dunhill.com/us
I thought, I wouldn't mind a dunnie shirt... $475... but I can have a guy fully make me a tailored fit shirt for less than that.
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So, then I thought, maybe a T-shirt with the dunhill logo... $350. Ha ha... so, these Tshirts are handcrafted in England... stitch by stitch... or is a French sweat shop cranking these bad boys out and then just they are just stamped "Handmade in England"?
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I'm not sure what to make of this. I guess it is merely the frigg'n logo people are paying so much for.
Or, is there that much of difference between the English dollar and the US dollar?
These are photographs taken of actual customers, minutes after they realized that the position of the dot on the sales receipt was not a mistake.
 
Classic responses - thanks guys!

But as Cosmic said earlier, I would be curious as to just how many pipes White Spot actually sell.
I remember being at shows and seeing those tables lined with hundreds of the same pipes, like Xerox copies. This was before the White Spot name change, but it does taint the way you look at those pipes, IMO. To see so many exact pipes like that, really knocks the wind from the sails of thinking of them as artisan products.
 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
41,212
60,620
I gauge White Spot sales by their presence in the market which is broad and deep. If sales were slack, online retailers wouldn't have the inventories they do nor show the turnover. Also, Forums posts give a feel for their presence to customers and potential customers. Most of us roll our eyes at prices, but about a third of membership owns a Dunhill/White Spot, and many have an ambition to own one, or think they should, from what is said. However I might feel about White Spot as a pipe maker, I am in some awe of their marketing. Kaywoodie was the premier pipe in the 1950's, and Dunhill was second fiddle, good but not Kaywoodie. So they've gone from being Buick to Cadillac, in the 1950's frame of mind. Prices way high for a factory pipe and holding. Apparently tobacco pipes lend themselves to "carriage trade" sales. A well-off guy who wants to smoke a pipe feels that White Spot is the best and nothing else will fulfill his sense of himself. He doesn't want a fine artisan pipe that other people won't recognize. He wants the prestige, the raw envy, and is happy to pay for it. Even if he smokes in private, he at least knows that I'm not out here smoking the same pipes, and that's important to him.
 

danish

Starting to Get Obsessed
Jun 12, 2017
247
498
Denmark
If I became the CEO of White Spot pipes, I would probably do nothing, untill I knew a lot more about the pipe market(s), customers, distributors and my own company. But I would never agree to lower the quality or fully outsource production, or offer acrylic stems or add new modern 'Italian' or 'Danish' shapes/designs. To please you guys and avoid the constant and repeated bashing, I would look into especially the US pricing and hire some lobbyists to educate the ignorant bashers in various related forums?
 

anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
16,670
31,249
46
In the semi-rural NorthEastern USA
I'd assume it was a tax scam of some sort. So I'd assume they wanted me to fuck it up and I'd just make sure I got a better salary then I deserve and then do whatever I want. I figure best bet would be to fail so hard it became a new legendary chapter. For example sinking money in trying to get the rights to make a Spongebob Squarepants pipe. I mean what else could I think. I'd also make sure they did not confuse me for someone else.
 
I'd assume it was a tax scam of some sort. So I'd assume they wanted me to fuck it up and I'd just make sure I got a better salary then I deserve and then do whatever I want. I figure best bet would be to fail so hard it became a new legendary chapter. For example sinking money in trying to get the rights to make a Spongebob Squarepants pipe. I mean what else could I think. I'd also make sure they did not confuse me for someone else.
Hell, if you really wanted to drive the pipe company over the cliff, just put forth a 100% effort to restore the Dunhill name back to pipes. puffy
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,025
16,070
So, then I thought, maybe a T-shirt with the dunhill logo... $350.
Meanwhile:

SP_Savinelli-Tshirt_category.jpg
 
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olkofri

Lifer
Sep 9, 2017
8,166
14,980
The Arm of Orion
Immediately start a sub-division called the Green Spot offering cute mini-tools for gardening.

Simultaneously, follow the lead of The Tinderbox and start including a booklet on growing bonsais according to Group Size number with every pipe. Include rebate coupons for Green Spot paraphernalia as well.
 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
10,025
16,070
See, now if Savenelli would just sell the shirts for mmmmm.... $150 a piece, they wouldn't have to focus so hard on coming up with new stem colors and patterns.
Or better yet, create a whole new line of the latest and greatest cut-throat high fashion under the Savinelli brand, and move their entire line of pipes to a new company subdivision called The Nelli Pot.
 

3rdguy

Lifer
Aug 29, 2017
3,472
7,299
Iowa
I would charge more and get while the getting is good. When tobacco sales via internet eventually receive the ban then pipes with be unloaded on quite a scale.

Tobacco of course will go through the roof.
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
44,966
117,523
Dunhill name origin from a surname data base.

Recorded in a range of spellings including Dunswell, Dunwell, and the either developed form or separate forms Dunnell, Dunnill, Dunill, Dunhill, and Dunhills, this is an English locational surname. It originates from the hamlet of Dunswell, meaning 'Brown stream', near the town of Beverley in the East Riding of Yorkshire

"Brown stream"?‍♂️

Looks like that company started up shit creek. rotf
 

jpberg

Lifer
Aug 30, 2011
3,188
7,452
If you want to make money, you don’t waste your time on the pipe smoking market.
So they’re doing well so far.
Every nickel spent world wide on pipes and pipe tobacco last year is probably one tenth of the money the Reservation near me made on cigarettes last year.
In case you didn’t get the news flash, no one gives a sweet fuck about accommodating tobacco pipe smokers.