Woke Boxing

[Briar Lee]

In the Humansville Christian Church when I was growing up was a woman that I think is still living.

Let’s call her Tranny

She was very masculine, had a deep voice, and a five o’clock shadow.

Dr. G W Robinson determined she was female when she was born over ninety years ago.

When she started high school at Humansville her parents had her quit, rather than shower with the other girls after gym classes.

Her mother was a widow who lived with a widower and they pretended the mother was an employee in the widower’s store.

If you ever personally knew, a soul God chose to be different you’d not throw stones.

I have no proof but I believe in hell fire, and the surest way I know to earn a hot place there would be to torment those who played their cards they were dealt at birth the best they could, although they did not deal them themselves.

Can you imagine, wanting to use the wrong rest room?

 

[karam]

@Briar Lee I don’t believe in hellfire, but love your take.

Not sure why people are getting worked up so much about it. I even liked the opening ceremony. Was a bit over the top and garish, and expect it’d have parts edited out in various parts of the world where belief in hellfire, virgins, Marx etc, but coming from the French who have a propensity for pomp and self-indulgence, I feel it was clever and daring.

 

[Professor Moriarty]

What I gather from medical experts on the subject: the boxer has a known and rare genetic defect which caused the male sex organs to develop unnaturally before birth (internal testes for example), has xy (male) chromosomes, male testosterone level, and experienced male puberty (more muscle growth than female puberty provides).

 

[WerewolfOfLondon]

Once again, just not true...XY chromosomes...MALE.

But I'm not going to repeat myself any more. It's been entertaining but I'm bowing out of this one. When plain old biology is ignored, there's just no room for an educated debate.

In the Olympics boxing arena, facts and fairness are taking a battering | Barney Ronay

Hugely complex, essentially irresolvable issues have been flattened in the toxic furore over the inclusion of Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif in the women’s competition

www.theguardian.com

'[Khelif] was born and grew up as female. She is not doping, and is not trying to assert a new gender identity. She also comes from Algeria, which continues to outlaw homosexuality, which has no visible LGBTQ+ culture, support network or any progressive culture on such issues.'

I know you think you're the one on the side of the biological truth, but I'm afraid that is just an ill-informed assumption you have made, and now refuse to let go. The facts are that she was born a female. Her birth cert marks her down as a female. This was not done, as some have suggested, at her request. Nor was it done by some dodgy left-wing doctor who decided she should be marked down as male, even though she was clearly a female. Just because you've been offended by something you've seen on the internet does not mean further study of the issue isn't required. Your offense also does not equate to concrete scientific facts.

 

[georged]

In the Olympics boxing arena, facts and fairness are taking a battering | Barney Ronay

Hugely complex, essentially irresolvable issues have been flattened in the toxic furore over the inclusion of Lin Yu-ting and Imane Khelif in the women’s competition

www.theguardian.com

'[Khelif] was born and grew up as female. She is not doping, and is not trying to assert a new gender identity. She also comes from Algeria, which continues to outlaw homosexuality, which has no visible LGBTQ+ culture, support network or any progressive culture on such issues.'

I know you think you're the one on the side of the biological truth, but I'm afraid that is just an ill-informed assumption you have made, and now refuse to let go. The facts are that she was born a female. Her birth cert marks her down as a female. This was not done, as some have suggested, at her request. Nor was it done by some dodgy left-wing doctor who decided she should be marked down as male, even though she was clearly a female. Just because you've been offended by something you've seen on the internet does not mean further study of the issue isn't required. Your offense also does not equate to concrete scientific facts.

So, sports should be dominated by people with rare birth defects which happen the make them more suited to a particular event, then?

I'm pretty sure that was never the intent of anyone, anytime, or in any place, that organized sporting events where fair competition was the entire point.

If not, then why, for example, do weightlifting, wrestling, boxing, MMA, and so forth have weight classes?

Put another way, if Andre the Giant were to protest/complain that he had no choice in becoming seven feet tall and weighing 450 pounds---that he was just born that way---so should be allowed to wrestle in the featherweight class, you'd be OK with it?

 

[JOHN72]

I have not seen the Paris Olympics. But after seeing this degradation, it will be the last time I will ever watch the Olympics again.

 

[huntertrw]

Fallacies do not cease to be fallacies because they become fashions.

In this particular case, one of the boxers had a "fallacie" and the other did not, hence it truly was a man fighting a woman...

 

[WerewolfOfLondon]

So, sports should be dominated by people with rare birth defects which happen the make them more suited to a particular event, then?

I'm pretty sure that was never the intent of anyone, anytime, or in any place, that organized sporting events where fair competition was the entire point.

If not, then why, for example, do weightlifting, wrestling, boxing, MMA, and so forth have weight classes?

Put another way, if Andre the Giant were to protest/complain that he had no choice in becoming seven feet tall and weighing 450 pounds---that he was just born that way---so should be allowed to wrestle in the featherweight class, you'd be OK with it?

Khelif isn't dominating anything. She was beaten in the last olympics at the quarter final. There wasn't a word about this then, but she wins one fight now, and we have a full on moral panic.

Of course I wouldn't be OK with Andre the Giant identifying as a featherweight. But as if that is in anyway comparable to what is happening here. Khelif was born a woman, raised that way, and is fighting other woman who are the same weight as her. Ironically unlike Andre, who was born with a very serious birth 'defect'.

 

[Alejo R.]

My two cents. The problem is that it is a combat sport and I think that the Algerian athlete should not compete, because she could seriously harm someone and the rules of boxing should protect athletes. Now, I am extremely irritated by the hatred that this girl receives and receives with accusations that, in most cases, accuse her of being a man who sexually transitioned to being a woman in order to stand out, without stopping to read 5 minutes about the case. This is not the case, this girl was born a woman with female external sexual organs, she was raised as a woman and now as an adult she is even heterosexual. It is highly probable that until she reached adolescence no one suspected that she has a genetic disorder. No one complains when an athlete is 7.3 feet tall, which genetically favors him to be a professional basketball player, for example.

 

[Alejo R.]

If she's got an apple, she's got a banana.

never had a banana.

 

[Alejo R.]

A Hermaphrodite, perhaps? Since no IBA authority with direct knowledge of why this person was disqualified is stepping forward with an explanation, we really don't know what is going on.

I'll put $20 on Hermaphrodite, though.

The concept of hermaphrodite is old and refers only to cases where there are external signs of intersexuality, for example a penis but no testicles, or a penis and a vagina. It is from when genetic science did not exist and everything was clinical. Medical examinations during life and post mortem. Today we know that there are intersexualities and other more subtle genetic disorders that can only be detected with advanced studies.

 

[Simmerdown☕️]

XX & XY should never be in competition in the same ring under any circumstances. It’s a disgrace that this was allowed to happen…but not surprising. ️

 

[snagstangl]

"So, sports should be dominated by people with rare birth defects which happen the make them more suited to a particular event, then?" Didn't Phelps already do that at an Olympics?


I think that many high school sports already end up being dominated students based on birthdates of students that end up making some students almost one year older than students in their same academic class. The older students in an academic class succeed because they are generally physically more mature. They are played more, and get more experience because of that. I know birthdates and birth defects are not the same thing. I am assuming they are sufficiently random to be comparable.

Conceding, 46 seconds into a fight, and then throwing any excuse at the wall to minimize how you screwed the pooch is not a gender issue. It may be rationalizing your failure. Much like I am doing now, rationalizing about things I don't have personal experience with.

 

[Briar Lee]

When I read about these controversies my memory of how I might have been cheated of a career as a hillbilly country music singer comes flooding back.

There was a singing contest at the Hickory House honky tonk in Hickory County Missouri, in 1977, and my mother, grandmother, and girlfriend and other friends encouraged me to enter.

The top prize was an audition in Nashville at the Grand Ole Opry.

Second Prize was a hundred dollars.

The song i picked was Swinging Doors, made famous by Merle Haggard.

On the evening of the contest the place was packed to overflowing, and my turn was third in order.

I nailed my song. Even now I can hear the roar of the crowd, and the faces of my mother, grandmother, girlfriend and friends. I was certain I was Nashville bound.

Then the seventh contestant was a tall, beautiful, leggy dark haired girl who sang Rocky Top.

My mother looked at me, and said at least you’ll win a hundred dollars.

My girlfriend said but there’s no comparison of the talent, that girl can hardly carry a tune.

My mother said, with a face and figure like that she doesn’t have to.

I’ve thought ever since, such contests should be separated by sex.

I forget how I spent the hundred, but the girl didn’t wind up a Nashville star anyhow.

Life just ain’t fair sometimes, but nobody ever said it would be, you know?

 

[ClinchKnot]

Would love to see a matchup between that Algerian boxer and my grandma when she was in her 40s. She grew up on a hog farm, kept nine children and a mean husband in line, and was “strong like bear.”

She and I never talked a lot, so I was surprised to receive several things from her estate after she passed away at 101. I asked my mother “Why me?” and she said “Probably because you were the only one of us not scared of her.”

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

There are two genders, sexes, whatever.

It's your choice if you want to let people confuse you about that.

I cant help you.

 

[jpberg]

And maybe some folks are a little leery after watching the opening ceremonies.
Must be a bunch of conspiratorial nuts, ammiright?

 

[brian64]

What I gather from medical experts on the subject: the boxer has a known and rare genetic defect which caused the male sex organs to develop unnaturally before birth (internal testes for example), has xy (male) chromosomes, male testosterone level, and experienced male puberty (more muscle growth than female puberty provides).

This is what this case has in common with "trans" individuals...so common sense dictates should not be physically competing with XX women. But the prime characteristic of the "woke" mentality is a complete absence of common sense.

This is not happening in a vacuum. Biological males have been dominating women in countless sporting events of every type over the last few years, and probably 99.9% of these cases are trans individuals.

What amazes me is that those who defend this never seem to have the least concern for the rights of real women and girls. In addition to the sports issue, there are many other related problems, such as biological males in female bathrooms, or being put in women's dorms...and biological male prisoners being put in women's prisons. There have been a number of assaults and rapes in these cases.

When influential people such as JK Rowling speak up for women's rights in these things they are viciously attacked and receive numerous death threats. If/when a critical mass of real women finally decide they're not going to put up with this shit any longer is when it will finally stop. All women and girls should absolutely REFUSE to participate in any way with these events and situations.

 

[jpberg]

This is what this case has in common with "trans" individuals...so common sense dictates should not be physically competing with XX women. But the prime characteristic of the "woke" mentality is a complete absence of common sense.

This is not happening in a vacuum. Biological males have been dominating women in countless sporting events of every type over the last few years, and probably 99.9% of these cases are trans individuals.

What amazes me is that those who defend this never seem to have the least concern for the rights of real women and girls. In addition to the sports issue, there are many other related problems, such as biological males in female bathrooms, or being put in women's dorms...and biological male prisoners being put in women's prisons. There have been a number of assaults and rapes in these cases.

When influential people such as JK Rowling speak up for women's rights in these things they are viciously attacked and receive numerous death threats. If/when a critical mass of real women finally decide they're not going to put up with this shit any longer is when it will finally stop. All women and girls should absolutely REFUSE to participate in any way with these events and situations.

If the woman athletes, from NCAA on up, suddenly pulled a John Galt and quit producing for the leacherous scum that live off them, we’d have resolution inside of two weeks.
It won’t happen, but it could.

 

[woodsroad]

The concept of hermaphrodite is old and refers only to cases where there are external signs of intersexuality, for example a penis but no testicles, or a penis and a vagina. It is from when genetic science did not exist and everything was clinical. Medical examinations during life and post mortem. Today we know that there are intersexualities and other more subtle genetic disorders that can only be detected with advanced studies.

I see they are letting The Humorless use the interwebs today. Very nice.