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realypk

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Title edited. See rule 9. -jpm

So I just started smoking last year and heard a lot of dire warnings about not letting tabacco dry out etc.. never really understood why, especially when i let it dry out a bit before putting it in my bowl.

So i let one half used tin of my favorite go to balkan blend dry out totally, ie i left the lid untightened for 3 months and put it in the warmest place in the house i could find right next to a heating vent.

The stuff is dry... i mean preserved dry and if i roll it in my thumbs dust. So i loaded it up, it was a bit more difficult to pack but not unreasonably so. And it smoked just fine, in fact it still tastes pretty much exactly like a fresh tin im currently smoking i wouldnt be able to tell the difference from a smoke flavor perspective. So my big question is why does everyone care about not letting tabacco dry out?
 
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realypk

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Who says that? Many people prefer the tobacco to be on the dry side for smoking.
Well all the advice on how to cellar and store tabacco so it doesnt dry out. Also all the tabacco sales threads have ppl asking if its dry or not if its been opened as if it would be a bad thing if it were
 
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There's a difference between long term aging and drying tobacco out preparing to smoke it. I think it's safe to earth some amount of moisture is necessary for the chemical reactions that are essential to adding can occur.

I generally let a tin breathe and dry for a month before starting to smoke it. Leaving it open for 6 to 12 months isn't totally unusual. I think allowing the tobacco to dry to the point where it will Crumble to dust is overkill.
 

sablebrush52

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So I just started smoking last year and heard a lot of dire warnings about not letting tabacco dry out etc.. never really understood why, especially when i let it dry out a bit before putting it in my bowl.

So i let one half used tin of my favorite go to balkan blend dry out totally, ie i left the lid untightened for 3 months and put it in the warmest place in the house i could find right next to a heating vent.

The stuff is dry... i mean preserved dry and if i roll it in my thumbs dust. So i loaded it up, it was a bit more difficult to pack but not unreasonably so. And it smoked just fine, in fact it still tastes pretty much exactly like a fresh tin im currently smoking i wouldnt be able to tell the difference from a smoke flavor perspective. So my big question is why does everyone care about not letting tabacco dry out?
Not all tobacco is the same Not all tobacco blends are the same.

Balkan blends contain highly aromatic components that will give you plenty of flavor, even when dried out to crumbly dry, as long as it's not sitting for years. Sitting for years, flavors will fade out, though they can sometimes be revied, at least partially, through rehydration.

If you like the flavors that you're getting and you're not planning on any sort of long term aging, smoking it dried out isn't going to be a problem for you. But if you do let it dry until there's almost no moisture content it may not develop deeper flavors over time, and may just go stale. Also, some nuances in the blend will go away when dried to dust.

One of my favorite blends, Haddo's Delight, becomes unsmokeable when it's dried and died in the tin. And there's no reviving it. I've tried a number of times. On the flip side I've revived Renaissance successfully.

Over the years I've spent a lot of time experimenting with moisture levels in the blends that I like to smoke. Since I smoke mostly Virginias I like them quite dry when I smoke them to get the most flavors out of them. But I don't like the flavors when Virginias are fully dried out.

Blends have a moisture sweet spot when they offer up their best. Too much moisture masks flavors, though this is less obvious with English/Balkan/Oriental blends. You don't need much of a technique to smoke that genre of blends.

Aromatics lose their flavors when dried out completely. Some moisture is needed to carry those essences to your flavor receptors. You're looking for a reduction rather than a thin broth.

Virginias will offer their nuances when nearly dry. They can taste like hot air when smoked too wet and they can really sting you. Virginias still have flavor when dried to a crumble, but some of those notes will be lost and gone forever. Again, depends on the blend.

If you want all the flavors that a blend can offer, you need some moisture to carry that flavor to you. The amount varies with the blend.

The flavors in a tobacco mostly come from the simmering tobacco surrounding the burning cherry. No moisture, no simmering, lost flavor. I don't want to smoke something that tastes predominantly of ash. I'm simplifying this a little, but this is basically how it works.

With the right moisture level I get to control the burn rate with cadence and packing so that I get the most flavor that the blend has to offer, keeping it simmering at the edge of going out.

I want to be able to control the moisture level when the time comes to smoke a bowl of a specific tobacco and I can't do that when it's all dried to dust. I can rehydrate, but that doesn't always restore the flavors. So while I sometimes dry down my tobacco before jarring, I leave enough moisture not to impair aging, or kill flavors.

Leave moisture in your blends until it's time to smoke them, then hit that sweet spot. Easy to do with Balkan/English/Oriental blends as they are very forgiving. Tricky to get right with aromatics where you want a reduction rather than a thin broth, and slightly less tricky to do with Virginias, or burleys.

Try experimenting with different moisture levels in a blend that you're smoking. You might be surprised with how the flavor balance shifts at different moisture levels.
 

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Nov 26, 2018
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I only had to smoke a bowl of bone dried Va to understand why. It was extremely harsh. Before being dried out to that point it was rather nice blend. I would take some out and let it dry till crisp around the edges. Was perfectly fine smoke. Left the rest in not sealed container for few months in a heated room and it was harsh and nasty. Why chance it? If you like bone dry crumble to dust tobacco, good for you.
 
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Dudditz

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Wow Sablebrush what a super detailed and knowledgeable post. You pretty much answered my question and then some. I'll definitely try experimenting with different moisture levels and I guess I'm happy I tried it on a blend that was plenty forgiving!
Just got a lifetime's worth of experience and outstanding advice in a few paragraphs!!! That helped me too!!
 
I started letting whole tins and jars dry out when I realized that the best bowl from a tin or jar was always the last one, because it had completely dried out. Now, I will just pop a tin or jar and set it on a coffee mug warmer for the day or over night. That way every bowl is the best. YMMV.

Aromatics, yeh, I just smoke them wet... might as well, because they aren't very good either way. Just smells nice while it burns, and then smells like shit afterwards.
 

JOHN72

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Sep 12, 2020
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Everything in this life dries up, gets flaccid and then dries up, I am referring to tobacco. I once burned myself with boiling water, I burst a pitcher, when I put boiling water in it from the pan, it was a damn lemonade pitcher. And not a tea pitcher. And it jumped into my underpants, it was summer. It was like a zombie movie. Yes friends, tobacco dries, it does not turn into gold.
 

captpat

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Dec 16, 2014
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Not all tobacco is the same Not all tobacco blends are the same.

Balkan blends contain highly aromatic components that will give you plenty of flavor, even when dried out to crumbly dry, as long as it's not sitting for years. Sitting for years, flavors will fade out, though they can sometimes be revied, at least partially, through rehydration.

If you like the flavors that you're getting and you're not planning on any sort of long term aging, smoking it dried out isn't going to be a problem for you. But if you do let it dry until there's almost no moisture content it may not develop deeper flavors over time, and may just go stale. Also, some nuances in the blend will go away when dried to dust.

One of my favorite blends, Haddo's Delight, becomes unsmokeable when it's dried and died in the tin. And there's no reviving it. I've tried a number of times. On the flip side I've revived Renaissance successfully.

Over the years I've spent a lot of time experimenting with moisture levels in the blends that I like to smoke. Since I smoke mostly Virginias I like them quite dry when I smoke them to get the most flavors out of them. But I don't like the flavors when Virginias are fully dried out.

Blends have a moisture sweet spot when they offer up their best. Too much moisture masks flavors, though this is less obvious with English/Balkan/Oriental blends. You don't need much of a technique to smoke that genre of blends.

Aromatics lose their flavors when dried out completely. Some moisture is needed to carry those essences to your flavor receptors. You're looking for a reduction rather than a thin broth.

Virginias will offer their nuances when nearly dry. They can taste like hot air when smoked too wet and they can really sting you. Virginias still have flavor when dried to a crumble, but some of those notes will be lost and gone forever. Again, depends on the blend.

If you want all the flavors that a blend can offer, you need some moisture to carry that flavor to you. The amount varies with the blend.

The flavors in a tobacco mostly come from the simmering tobacco surrounding the burning cherry. No moisture, no simmering, lost flavor. I don't want to smoke something that tastes predominantly of ash. I'm simplifying this a little, but this is basically how it works.

With the right moisture level I get to control the burn rate with cadence and packing so that I get the most flavor that the blend has to offer, keeping it simmering at the edge of going out.

I want to be able to control the moisture level when the time comes to smoke a bowl of a specific tobacco and I can't do that when it's all dried to dust. I can rehydrate, but that doesn't always restore the flavors. So while I sometimes dry down my tobacco before jarring, I leave enough moisture not to impair aging, or kill flavors.

Leave moisture in your blends until it's time to smoke them, then hit that sweet spot. Easy to do with Balkan/English/Oriental blends as they are very forgiving. Tricky to get right with aromatics where you want a reduction rather than a thin broth, and slightly less tricky to do with Virginias, or burleys.

Try experimenting with different moisture levels in a blend that you're smoking. You might be surprised with how the flavor balance shifts at different moisture levels.
Great post, thanks
 
As mentioned above, big difference between long term storage and immediate smokeability.
I'm not so sure. I used to add some steam to D&R blends, thinking that this would help age the tobaccos, but I see no noticeable differences between the jars that I steamed the tobacco first and the ones I jarred when they were bone dry. When I store my tobaccos from my own crops, I store them all bone dry, as do most farmers. It may not be apparent,. but I suspect that tobaccos are dried out several times before we get them in the tins... or even the blenders get them.
 

jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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No, it's not "bone dry", an overused and misleading term.

Regardless of how tobacco is processed, dried and rehydrated many times or not, I am speaking to the realities of buying or trading tobacco at the retail level.
There's a difference in perception and preferences.
 
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