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brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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Drying before smoking is a must for me, but I'm drawn mostly to perique blends these days, so I try not to dry more than a few bowls at a time because it seems to have a muting effect on flavor if stored dry for too long.

But my senses of taste and smell have always been a bit stunted...which is why it's challenging for me to get much out of straight VA blends.
 

lraisch

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Tobacco should just hold together when a pinch is picked up. It should not be so moist as to stick together in a clump or so dry that it immediately falls apart. When too dry, I find it gives a flat or even acrid taste and lacks any nuances of flavor. Tobacco that has been left dry for a long period may rehydrate adequately, but sometimes essential oils are lost and the flavor cannot be recovered.
 
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Tobacco should just hold together when a pinch is picked up. It should not be so moist as to stick together in a clump or so dry that it immediately falls apart. When too dry, I find it gives a flat or even acrid taste and lacks any nuances of flavor. Tobacco that has been left dry for a long period may rehydrate adequately, but sometimes essential oils are lost and the flavor cannot be recovered.
Your new here, aintYa! What you meant to say is that this is the preferred way for you. Most here, dry their out, and find the exact opposite of what you say to be true for them.
 
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robbie

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Feb 1, 2022
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Not all tobacco is the same Not all tobacco blends are the same.

Balkan blends contain highly aromatic components that will give you plenty of flavor, even when dried out to crumbly dry, as long as it's not sitting for years. Sitting for years, flavors will fade out, though they can sometimes be revied, at least partially, through rehydration.

If you like the flavors that you're getting and you're not planning on any sort of long term aging, smoking it dried out isn't going to be a problem for you. But if you do let it dry until there's almost no moisture content it may not develop deeper flavors over time, and may just go stale. Also, some nuances in the blend will go away when dried to dust.

One of my favorite blends, Haddo's Delight, becomes unsmokeable when it's dried and died in the tin. And there's no reviving it. I've tried a number of times. On the flip side I've revived Renaissance successfully.

Over the years I've spent a lot of time experimenting with moisture levels in the blends that I like to smoke. Since I smoke mostly Virginias I like them quite dry when I smoke them to get the most flavors out of them. But I don't like the flavors when Virginias are fully dried out.

Blends have a moisture sweet spot when they offer up their best. Too much moisture masks flavors, though this is less obvious with English/Balkan/Oriental blends. You don't need much of a technique to smoke that genre of blends.

Aromatics lose their flavors when dried out completely. Some moisture is needed to carry those essences to your flavor receptors. You're looking for a reduction rather than a thin broth.

Virginias will offer their nuances when nearly dry. They can taste like hot air when smoked too wet and they can really sting you. Virginias still have flavor when dried to a crumble, but some of those notes will be lost and gone forever. Again, depends on the blend.

If you want all the flavors that a blend can offer, you need some moisture to carry that flavor to you. The amount varies with the blend.

The flavors in a tobacco mostly come from the simmering tobacco surrounding the burning cherry. No moisture, no simmering, lost flavor. I don't want to smoke something that tastes predominantly of ash. I'm simplifying this a little, but this is basically how it works.

With the right moisture level I get to control the burn rate with cadence and packing so that I get the most flavor that the blend has to offer, keeping it simmering at the edge of going out.

I want to be able to control the moisture level when the time comes to smoke a bowl of a specific tobacco and I can't do that when it's all dried to dust. I can rehydrate, but that doesn't always restore the flavors. So while I sometimes dry down my tobacco before jarring, I leave enough moisture not to impair aging, or kill flavors.

Leave moisture in your blends until it's time to smoke them, then hit that sweet spot. Easy to do with Balkan/English/Oriental blends as they are very forgiving. Tricky to get right with aromatics where you want a reduction rather than a thin broth, and slightly less tricky to do with Virginias, or burleys.

Try experimenting with different moisture levels in a blend that you're smoking. You might be surprised with how the flavor balance shifts at different moisture levels.
What a wonderful detailed post. I like that description of tobacco simmering around the cherry, and keeping it simmering at the edge of going out! I'm really just beginning to discover what nuances virginias can give when sipped so lightly it's almost going out. I had an epiphany when smoking carolina red with perique like this, it was musky nuance flavours between flavours for the whole bowl!
 
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What a wonderful detailed post. I like that description of tobacco simmering around the cherry, and keeping it simmering at the edge of going out! I'm really just beginning to discover what nuances virginias can give when sipped so lightly it's almost going out. I had an epiphany when smoking carolina red with perique like this, it was musky nuance flavours between flavours for the whole bowl!
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TN Jed

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Not all tobacco is the same Not all tobacco blends are the same.

Balkan blends contain highly aromatic components that will give you plenty of flavor, even when dried out to crumbly dry, as long as it's not sitting for years. Sitting for years, flavors will fade out, though they can sometimes be revied, at least partially, through rehydration.

If you like the flavors that you're getting and you're not planning on any sort of long term aging, smoking it dried out isn't going to be a problem for you. But if you do let it dry until there's almost no moisture content it may not develop deeper flavors over time, and may just go stale. Also, some nuances in the blend will go away when dried to dust.

One of my favorite blends, Haddo's Delight, becomes unsmokeable when it's dried and died in the tin. And there's no reviving it. I've tried a number of times. On the flip side I've revived Renaissance successfully.

Over the years I've spent a lot of time experimenting with moisture levels in the blends that I like to smoke. Since I smoke mostly Virginias I like them quite dry when I smoke them to get the most flavors out of them. But I don't like the flavors when Virginias are fully dried out.

Blends have a moisture sweet spot when they offer up their best. Too much moisture masks flavors, though this is less obvious with English/Balkan/Oriental blends. You don't need much of a technique to smoke that genre of blends.

Aromatics lose their flavors when dried out completely. Some moisture is needed to carry those essences to your flavor receptors. You're looking for a reduction rather than a thin broth.

Virginias will offer their nuances when nearly dry. They can taste like hot air when smoked too wet and they can really sting you. Virginias still have flavor when dried to a crumble, but some of those notes will be lost and gone forever. Again, depends on the blend.

If you want all the flavors that a blend can offer, you need some moisture to carry that flavor to you. The amount varies with the blend.

The flavors in a tobacco mostly come from the simmering tobacco surrounding the burning cherry. No moisture, no simmering, lost flavor. I don't want to smoke something that tastes predominantly of ash. I'm simplifying this a little, but this is basically how it works.

With the right moisture level I get to control the burn rate with cadence and packing so that I get the most flavor that the blend has to offer, keeping it simmering at the edge of going out.

I want to be able to control the moisture level when the time comes to smoke a bowl of a specific tobacco and I can't do that when it's all dried to dust. I can rehydrate, but that doesn't always restore the flavors. So while I sometimes dry down my tobacco before jarring, I leave enough moisture not to impair aging, or kill flavors.

Leave moisture in your blends until it's time to smoke them, then hit that sweet spot. Easy to do with Balkan/English/Oriental blends as they are very forgiving. Tricky to get right with aromatics where you want a reduction rather than a thin broth, and slightly less tricky to do with Virginias, or burleys.

Try experimenting with different moisture levels in a blend that you're smoking. You might be surprised with how the flavor balance shifts at different moisture levels.
Very informative! I've been struggling with the over vs under drying. Now that I've had time to learn the basics of loading, tamping and slowing down (sipping and breathing) I'm realizing that I'm probably not drying enough. I generally have been drying for 10-15 minutes. What is a reasonable time (complete ballpark of course) to start with for a new tin of aromatics?
 
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Tobacco should just hold together when a pinch is picked up. It should not be so moist as to stick together in a clump or so dry that it immediately falls apart. When too dry, I find it gives a flat or even acrid taste and lacks any nuances of flavor. Tobacco that has been left dry for a long period may rehydrate adequately, but sometimes essential oils are lost and the flavor cannot be recovered.
As you describe above is too moist for my taste. I like to dry most tobaccos to the point that it won't clump up but not so much that the individual ribbons will break. There are exceptions to every rule, Like I found Stonehaven likes to be smoked a little more on the moister side.

To each their own taste, eh?
 
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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
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Very informative! I've been struggling with the over vs under drying. Now that I've had time to learn the basics of loading, tamping and slowing down (sipping and breathing) I'm realizing that I'm probably not drying enough. I generally have been drying for 10-15 minutes. What is a reasonable time (complete ballpark of course) to start with for a new tin of aromatics?
There isn't a single answer to your question. Dry time varies with the blend, and the pipe in which that blend is smoked. Experiment. Try 30 minutes, an hour, 2 hours, then try smaller variations within the range. What you're looking for isn't a specific time so much as a condition of moisture. Personally, I don't go by time, but by feel. How does the tobacco feel when I squeeze it, and what does that sensation tell me.
 

GawithPiper

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Jan 24, 2022
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Question. I have a 8oz bag of Margate. Will vacuum sealing the bag as a whole ruin the tobacco? Also the bag is unopened.
 
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jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Carmel Valley, CA
Not at all, unless over vacuumed. I have a dozen bags, and see no need to encase them in anything.

Also, NOVA:
Please put your location in your Profile, as people are forgetful.
Why:
That will save questions in the future as to where you live when you later mention local stores, weather, tobacco prices, availability, regulations, location of photos, wildfires, air quality, etc. In many instances that saves time for those who read your posts. It cuts down on posts or PMs asking where you are.
How:
Under your avatar, (top right, left most of three symbols) you choose "Account Details", which brings up "My Account". "My Location" is halfway down. Whatever you're comfortable with- town, city, county, state. province, etc.
 
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No, it's not "bone dry", an overused and misleading term.

Regardless of how tobacco is processed, dried and rehydrated many times or not, I am speaking to the realities of buying or trading tobacco at the retail level.
There's a difference in perception and preferences.
Much respect…. But, you never tag anyone, nor reply. So, I have no idea who this statement is aimed at, and I imagine everyone else is having the same difficulty in understanding.
 
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jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Carmel Valley, CA
Much respect…. But, you never tag anyone, nor reply. So, I have no idea who this statement is aimed at, and I imagine everyone else is having the same difficulty in understanding.
The post of mine immediately follows your post in which you use the term "bone dry". It's aimed at all of us who use or have used the term. It's colorful and gets across the concept of quite dry, but smokable tobacco is far from bone dry. Kinda the difference between the figurative and literal meanings of the term.
 
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The post of mine immediately follows your post in which you use the term "bone dry". It's aimed at all of us who use or have used the term. It's colorful and gets across the concept of quite dry, but smokable tobacco is far from bone dry. Kinda the difference between the figurative and literal meanings of the term.
Then, I would have to beg to differ. I like mine crunchy bone dry, which is the perfect dryness of many of the blends that I smoke, not all but many. And, bone dry is what I meant... bisque dry, crunchy, etc...

Did you delete my post? Because you disagreed with it?
 
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jpmcwjr

Lifer
May 12, 2015
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Carmel Valley, CA
Then, I would have to beg to differ. I like mine crunchy bone dry, which is the perfect dryness of many of the blends that I smoke, not all but many. And, bone dry is what I meant... bisque dry, crunchy, etc...

Did you delete my post? Because you disagreed with it?
Of course not. There are as of this moment, no deleted posts in this entire thread.
 

lraisch

Part of the Furniture Now
Jul 4, 2011
744
1,566
Granite Falls, Washington state
Your new here, aintYa! What you meant to say is that this is the preferred way for you. Most here, dry their out, and find the exact opposite of what you say to be true for them.
New here? No not exactly and I sense that the majority opinion here is in favor of drying. I just don't want newbies here to think that it is "received wisdom". I've been a pipe smoker for 56 years and IMHO the idea of drying before a smoke is over-emphasized.

In particular, the original post seemed to be concerned about the effect of tobacco drying out in long term storage.

Besides, you must realize that I am the voice of authority and am speaking "ex cathedra"!! ;)
 
New here? No not exactly and I sense that the majority opinion here is in favor of drying. I just don't want newbies here to think that it is "received wisdom". I've been a pipe smoker for 56 years and IMHO the idea of drying before a smoke is over-emphasized.

In particular, the original post seemed to be concerned about the effect of tobacco drying out in long term storage.

Besides, you must realize that I am the voice of authority and am speaking "ex cathedra"!! ;)
I posted that in jest. I checked to see when you joined before posting. I guessed and hopefully was correct in assuming that you'd take it with good humor.
 

JOHN72

Lifer
Sep 12, 2020
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Tobacco should just hold together when a pinch is picked up. It should not be so moist as to stick together in a clump or so dry that it immediately falls apart. When too dry, I find it gives a flat or even acrid taste and lacks any nuances of flavor. Tobacco that has been left dry for a long period may rehydrate adequately, but sometimes essential oils are lost and the flavor cannot be recovered.
I agree with your approach and taste. Sir.............