Who Made This Pipe?

[jguss]

No, look at the grain. It's the EXACT SAME PIPE. From you to LV, from LV to JimInksLand. Not quite in the twinkling of an eye, but close.

What Jesse said. Absolutely.

 

[mso489]

This pipe knowledge rises to the level of forensic.

 

[runscott]

This from pipephil.eu, "These two entries prove that Plymouth was not only a Peterson product (second pipe) as it appears in Wilczak and Colwell's book...". The stamping in the image I previously posted in this string is from the same entry. And, the stamping is near identical to your "Plymouth". I think we have a winner.

I wouldn't get too comfy with anything you read in Pipephil, unless it comes with an image and documentation. Their dates and surmises are often flat-out wrong.

 

[JimInks]

To muck this up even more (I thought I had it solved)... here is an older thread exploring the same question:

Marked Plymouth #47 estate pipe :: Pipe Talk

Just won a eBay auction for a Plymouth #47 anyone have any info or insight on Plymouth pipes? I do know it’s english made!!

pipesmagazine.com

Jim. is there a number stamped anywhere on the pipe (bottom of shank, right side of shank)?

No, there isn't.

 

[JimInks]

Agreed. The puzzling part about this particular pipe is the MASSIVE stamping; it raises at least a shadow of doubt about the Peterson attribution. If Peterson used that stamp elsewhere I haven't seen examples. And of course Massive doesn't appear in WMTP.

See if these photos are more legible.

 

[JimInks]

Me again LOL. I had this haunting feeling that I saw this stamping before... alas, I restored and sold one a few months ago. See the photo below. Stamping still light, but a "v" can be seen after the "i". I am certain the stamping is "Plymouth Massive". Sans number on pipe, I am back to thinking it is an odd Peterson sub-brand.

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That's the one I have.

 

[JimInks]

I sold it to a guy in LV (not named "Jim")... hahaha. So we can surmise they made a run of these? Mine was 7.25" long and truly "massive". I described it as a Peterson sub-brand. If this thread convinces me otherwise, I will contact the buyer and work something out.

And he gave it to me.

 

[Humblepipe]

No, look at the grain. It's the EXACT SAME PIPE. From you to LV, from LV to JimInksLand. Not quite in the twinkling of an eye, but close.

Holy %$%!!! That is amazing.

 

[Humblepipe]

I wouldn't get too comfy with anything you read in Pipephil, unless it comes with an image and documentation. Their dates and surmises are often flat-out wrong.

Understood... and a good point. However, as Jesse points out "Who Made That Pipe" corroborates Plymouth as a Peterson second.

 

[runscott]

Understood... and a good point. However, as Jesse points out "Who Made That Pipe" corroborates Plymouth as a Peterson second.

There is absolutely a Plymouth that is not a Peterson's second - their pipes aren't even vaguely Peterson-like. Perhaps there are two Plymouths?

I'm sure, given how much of a presence you are on ebay, you'll see what I'm saying soon enough, now that you'll be more aware of Plymouths when they appear in auctions.

 

[runscott]

The 'Plymouth' example in the following link is enough to convince me that Plymouth is not Peterson-related - the p-lip on this pipe is clearly a knock-off, and the ferrule is like nothing a Peterson-related pipe would ever have.

I have no skin in this game - just trying to help out:

Peterson knock-off - Plymouth

 

[Humblepipe]

The 'Plymouth' example in the following link is enough to convince me that Plymouth is not Peterson-related - the p-lip on this pipe is clearly a knock-off, and the ferrule is like nothing a Peterson-related pipe would ever have.

I have no skin in this game - just trying to help out:

Peterson knock-off - Plymouth

Glad you are in this thread. No worries at all.

 

[runscott]

I'm sure, given how much of a presence you are on ebay, you'll see what I'm saying soon enough, now that you'll be more aware of Plymouths when they appear in auctions.

Let me re-word the above, as it was meant to be taken literally, and even friendly:

"I know you look at a lot at pipes on ebay because of your interest in them, and because you sell them. Plymouths have never come up as all that important of a topic, but now that we are discussing them, we'll probably all be more aware when we spot one on ebay, rather than just shuffling past them, and I think that when you notice them in the future on ebay, you'll probably agree with what I've pointed out here about how different 'some' of the Plymouths are from Peterson pipes."

I was in a hurry when I typed the previous post, and I realize how it might have been taken as me being kind of a smart-assed know-it-all

 

[runscott]

Glad you are in this thread. No worries at all.

There are Peterson 'seconds' other than 'Irish Seconds', but they aren't all that common. The French-made 'Bradley' comes to mind, but there's at least one other that I can't remember the name of.

 

[Humblepipe]

Either way, I just provided a full refund to the original buyer of the Plymouth (NOT Jim, LOL). I guess sometimes even multiple sources can be wrong?

 

[runscott]

You're a good guy, but I dont see why it should matter to the buyer.

 

[Humblepipe]

You're a good guy, but I dont see why it should matter to the buyer.

It did not matter to the original buyer (we just messaged each other), but it was the right thing to do. This was a great thread. Full of a lot of surprises for me. Thanks, everyone! Jim, enjoy your magnum billiard that may or may not be affiliated with Peterson LOL.

 

[MacMarty89]

Me again LOL. I had this haunting feeling that I saw this stamping before... alas, I restored and sold one a few months ago. See the photo below. Stamping still light, but a "v" can be seen after the "i". I am certain the stamping is "Plymouth Massive". Sans number on pipe, I am back to thinking it is an odd Peterson sub-brand.

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Very nice indeed.