What's the Deal Here?

[hauntedmyst]

So what are the marijuana users doing differently than the tobacco users to get themselves supported politically?

A tobacco user fires up a bowl and consumes a 50 cent cup of coffee as an accompanier. A pot user fires up a bowl and then proceeds to go through a 2 liter of Mt. Dew, a bag of Doritos and a quick trip to White Castle for 1/2 dozen sliders. In one fell swoop, pot gains the support of the soda industry, the snack industry and the fast food industry. :lol:

I bet the Marijuana plant has done more to stabilize and grow emerging economies than Tobacco ever did. Think about how many countries have this plant as a cash crop in one form or another. Now how many have the tobacco plant done the same for?

Not hardly. Tobacco has been a cash crop long before pot. Pot as a cash crop is relatively new where as tobacco has been for hundreds of years. Yes, hemp was used for multiple purposes but that doesn't equate it to the same cash crop levels as tobacco over the last 5 centuries. Tobacco was not only one of the foundational products of this country, but has also been exported and grown by a multitude of other countries. Pot as a cash crop is generally illegal where ever its grown to my knowledge so its not an economic stabilizer.

 

[jasongone]

i really should stay away from all of this but i just can't.

i believe that one of the primary reasons that marijuana is gaining acceptance in America is partly because science is telling everyone it is ok, while they are telling everyone (true or not) that tobacco across the board kills. the long term studies into marijuana usage that finally started reaching their end have found some surprising things

http://www.drugscience.org/sfu/sfu_longterm.html

http://www.drugabuse.gov/infofacts/marijuana.html

http://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2003/06/030630112652.htm

not really pushing a personal opinion just saying this is what the world is being told, while my tin of pipe tobacco tell me that the state of California knows 100% that my tobacco will give me cance (not true at all, but this is what we are told.)

there is still nowhere on the planet where marijuana is legal. even Amsterdam has figured out a way to keep tourists out of the "coffee" houses, and has mused over going back to enforcing the law against all drugs - including the organics they have tolerated for so long.

i guess everybody's battle has it's ups and downs.

 

[hobie1dog]

even Amsterdam has figured out a way to keep tourists out of the "coffee" houses

explain that for us. ::

 

[jasongone]

they passed a bill hobie that makes all the coffee houses private clubs next year. they have to charge people to be members of the coffee house and you have to be a resident of amsterdam to legally qualify for a membership. marijuana has never been legalized there, they just simply decided to tolerate organic drugs. i have one friend who was arrested there for smoking weed in his hotel.

seems to be it would be much simpler, and more profitable to the state, to simply legalize it and get on with the business of getting people into a mind frame of assuming personal responsibility again so we can get away from wasting time and money on victimless crimes and telling adult what they can and can't put into their bodies... and being a bit of a nutty libertarian i apply this to tobacco, drugs, drink, driving without a seat belt and whatever the hell else you want to do with your own carcass...
i knew i should have stayed away from this

 

[jaybird]

misterrogers, I think you're on a roll!

 

[hobie1dog]

they passed a bill hobie that makes all the coffee houses private clubs next year. they have to charge people to be members of the coffee house and you have to be a resident of amsterdam to legally qualify for a membership

So I guess I should take that vacation to Amsterdam before that gets put into effect?

 

[marmal4de]

Talk about opening up a can of worms....I'm standing back from this one and waiting till the smoke clears.

Yeah man, I ain't touching this with a ten-freaking-foot pole.

 

[schmitzbitz]

As I have lamented in the past, each year on April the 20th (4:20 Day), I have to pass through a crowd of people smoking pot in the middle of one of the busiest intersections in Vancouver - while the police hang around to make sure there is no violence. BUT - if I spark a cigarette, or stoke a bowl (of tobacco), I am subject to a fine for smoking in public.
That said, the RCMP figure that marijuana is worth something in the vicinity of $7 billion dollars in black-market money to this province, and that money would certainly help our foundering economy at this time...not to mention that the only reason there is a criminal element involved with pot is because of the current laws - prohibition of alcohol brought names like Al Capone into the forefront of the criminal world, just like now pot has done the same with Marc Emery; and the savings on scrapping the losing cause that is the war on marijuana would also be a boon.
I guess for me, it boils down to the idea that I am now a responsible adult who owns a successful firm, and the head of a household. I have been informed of and independantly researched the facts. I know that smoking -anything- isn't going to be good for me. I also know that asking for my fries and pop to be "supersized" isn't good for me, and I really didn't need that sixth pint. But you know what? The only guaranteed cause of death is life, and when its your time, its your time; so let me enjoy my vices, and even my excesses, in peace.

 

[ohin3]

How did this post go from asking why marijuana seems to be favoured in the public eye while tobacco is vilified to personal grandstanding against Marijuana use and those who use it? I smoke both and think that everyone aside from those of us who smoke them, should leave them alone. I don't give a frogs fat ass what people do and I don't care for people sticking their nose in my business either.

 

[hobie1dog]

Yeah .......what Ohin said ::