I’m not sure I understand what this list is in reaction to.1) The utter lack of money behind it
2) The overall curmudgeonliness of the artist
3) The social ineptitude of the artist
4) The absence of the artist's social media presence
5) The inexplicable disinterest of the entire public
I had the privilege of living a few blocks away from the Rothko Chapel in Houston back in the early 80s. I remember I could go in any time and there would be no-one else there. Maybe that's still true today but I suspect not. The works were monumental in size and covered all walls in one not very large space. He was in a dark monochromatic phase and they all were very sombre. And very moving. I was very grateful that I was allowed to see them.@sablebrush52 mentioned Mark Rothko and it made me think of a few things. Seeing a Rothko painting in person is nothing like seeing a reproduction of one in a book (this could be said of a great many works). Books can't capture what the real paintings offer in front of your eyes. It's just a shame that Rothko paintings are so often seen in museums in such dim light to preserve them because he didn't use colorfast pigments. Years ago, a friend of mine (one of my teacher at the School of Visual Arts) was bicycling in New Jersey and he took a spill. He ended up knocking on a door of a house to ask if he could use the telephone. A woman let him in. As my friend was on the phone, he noticed a couple of paintings in the home and thought they might be by Mark Rothko and was perplexed. He asked the woman about them when he completed his call. They were indeed original Mark Rothko paintings to my friend's amazement. She was Rothko's daughter and these were paintings by her dad.
Damn, I didn't know I was an artist!1) The utter lack of money behind it
2) The overall curmudgeonliness of the artist
3) The social ineptitude of the artist
4) The absence of the artist's social media presence
5) The inexplicable disinterest of the entire public
Unfortunately, "This is Not the Way" to quote the Keepers of the Watch. Internet forums simply aren't equipped for long form writing.Hmmm…. If “no one” gets it? Or just you… or a certain group?
For example, of I don’t understand death metal, does that mean that it’s not a valid musical expression?
BTW… if you had better “communicated” that you meant a homeless man crapping in front of my house, instead of just an artist doing it in a defined space, we may have circumvented some choice words split between us, ha ha.
Ummm… for clarification… I said that your definition was snobbish. You called “me” an asshole. There is a difference between criticizing someone’s content verses attacking the poster. You’re a language guy. I would think you would understand this. As a debate coach, I deal with this type of distinction every week. High schoolers seem to “get it.”Unfortunately, "This is Not the Way" to quote the Keepers of the Watch. Internet forums simply aren't equipped for long form writing.
No one is asking, but a better way to reply to a post would be, "by this do you mean?"
This assist with clarification points as well as needless insinuating name calling.
But... what would be the fun in that.
Are you saying you aren't?Ummm… for clarification… I said that your definition was snobbish. You called “me” an asshole. There is a difference between criticizing someone’s content verses attacking the poster. You’re a language guy. I would think you would understand this. As a debate coach, I deal with this type of distinction every week. High schoolers seem to “get it.”
I could tell right off the bat that you were “Motorcycle Maintenance”ing me. Ha ha.Phaedrus would argue that it is possible for a piece of art work to lack quality, and that if it does, then the world is less because of it.
Phaedrus was a mess. I think I'll take a motorcycle ride now. Adios.
The art market is influenced by a number of factors that only peripherally touch on the quality of the art. It's become another tax dodge for corporations and wealthy "benefactors" to museums. Big money has woven its corrupting influence throughout the art market. Desecrating Cambodian temples, hacking off figurines at the calf because they have such a "love" for this art. Gangs murdering one another while plundering a site. Blow enough Gallery owners and you can become a success. Attributions withheld because of fears for personal reputation, or concerns over a potential leap in value due to an attribution outweighing academic considerations, an international black market in stolen art. It's not the entirety of the market by any means, but it's a significant portion of it.It's easy to confuse the "art market" with "Art," but these are two separate institutions. The cost of painting in "the market" has little to do with the actual artistic value of the art.
What have I ever said that was cruel enough to make me an asshole? Just because we disagree doesn’t mean that I am being cruel. I was really trying to be open and amiable… that did not deserve a personal attack.Are you saying you aren't?
You may be right about an aspect of the market. But, having sat for a few years on the board of a fairly sized museum, many of the people who invest A large portion of their savings into art are doing this for truly good intentions for the general public. I might suggest that it not be painted with such a wide brush… So to speak.The art market is influenced by a number of factors that only peripherally touch on the quality of the art. It's become another tax dodge for corporations and wealthy "benefactors" to museums. Big money has woven its corrupting influence throughout the art market. Desecrating Cambodian temples, hacking off figurines at the calf because they have such a "love" for this art. Gangs murdering one another while plundering a site. Blow enough Gallery owners and you can become a success. Attributions withheld because of fears for personal reputation, or concerns over a potential leap in value due to an attribution outweighing academic considerations, an international black market in stolen art. It's not the entirety of the market by any means, but it's a significant portion of it.
I think it's meant as a form of artistic expression...I’m not sure I understand what this list is in reaction to.
I did say it wasn't the whole of the market, just a significant part of it. Sure hope that Da Vinci, floating around on a private yacht, is doing well with the sea air...You may be right about an aspect of the market. But, having sat for a few years on the board of a fairly sized museum, many of the people who invest A large portion of their savings into art are doing this for truly good intentions for the general public. I might suggest that it not be painted with such a wide brush… So to speak.
The original question. Or, I'm just exhibiting aphasia at 37. Take your pick!I’m not sure I understand what this list is in reaction to.
Personal attack? You walk a fine line with your Insults and unsolicited observations about all types of people. Usually under the auspices of humor. But you're a big boy. Put on your big boy pants and buck up. And get over it. If you don't like snippy responses don't get uppity and snippy with others. And no, your initial reply didn't come across as open or amiable. I enjoy reading your posts, your are very knowledgeable and a gift to the pipe smoking community. But if you can't see that you come across like an ass from time to time in your responses to others, then so be it. We all can come across that way. Regardless, I stand by my observation and we will simply disagree. For the record, I'll rephrase... you're not an ass. You come across AS an ass. Better, .What have I ever said that was cruel enough to make me an asshole? Just because we disagree doesn’t mean that I am being cruel. I was really trying to be open and amiable… that did not deserve a personal attack.
He did indeed.I could tell right off the bat that you were “Motorcycle Maintenance”ing me. Ha ha.
Remember, he went insane.