Thanks and this brings up more input from you guys....which lighter is the most thrifty on fuel? I keep hearing about guys re-filling their zippo every 3-4 days, that seems crazy to me. :crazy:Hobie, I have a Lotus 11. It too is a good lighter. I love that it is so easy to adjust the flame on it, however, it is definitely a fuel hog. Seems I have to refill it twice as often as the Old Boy, but I only use it MAYBE 1/3 as frequently