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Briar Lee

Lifer
Sep 4, 2021
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14,583
Humansville Missouri
@Briar Lee Am I correct in believing that, even after that four-year tragedy, the question of the right of a state to secede from the Union has never been resolved by a constitutional amendment?
Correct.

Missouri voted to not succeed. Then our governor tried armed neutrality and the Yankees occupied our Capitol and appointed Governor Gamble. But only the 13th Amendment freed our slaves, and Missouri was not crushed and beaten at war’s end. My ancestors all rode for Governor Gamble and Lincoln.

Why the fire eaters in the South prevailed over the peacemakers was they hoped starting a war would cause states in the Upper South to succeed and join the Confederacy, which they did, to their sorrow.

It’s easy to see how the South was motivated to fight to the end to preserve their way of life.

But Abraham Lincoln used Fort Sumter to motivate 350,000 men to die invading the South to keep them in the Union.

Remember Fort Sumter was the Northern rallying cry.

Not until Germany gave Austria a blank check in 1914 was there more folly.

If nobody had started a civil war slavery would have lasted at least another generation. Emancipation would have been gradual, perhaps compensated, and certainly not in 1865 in utter defeat and ruin.

Larson is a masterful story teller.
 
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carlomarx

Can't Leave
Oct 29, 2011
449
707
State College,PA
Phantom Shot, by Mike Majerus and Jack Nessan

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Every other book of the dozen or more I own about the JFK assassination presumes Oswald fired three shots from his Carcano.

If there’s more than three shots, Oswald could not have acted alone.


But the police found three empty cases on the sixth floor. Two had recently been fired, one was dented on the rim. The dented cartridge had deeper firing pin strikes than the other two.

Oswald must have used an empty case for a snap cap. He left it in the rifle in Mrs Paine’s garage. When he built the sniper’s nest of boxes, he ejected the snap cap case and loaded three.

He only shot twice. The witnesses who reported three shots were mistaken. Oswald had five to six seconds time to shoot the second and fatal head shot, which is leisurely, for a Marine marksman who’d practiced by dry firing, according to Marina.

If you are familiar enough with the event to know about Mrs Paine’s garage, you owe it to yourself to buy and read this book.

I should have figured this out fifty years ago myself,,,,,except I assumed there were three shots in Dallas, as reported by the media and adopted as most likely by the Warren Commision.

If the Warren Commision had correctly found only two shots in six seconds, then who knows how this would have beaten down conspiracy theories?
Was there a round in the magazine when the rifle was found?
 

JoburgB2

Can't Leave
Sep 30, 2024
345
1,143
Dundee, Scotland
Somewhat dry and methodical. So only recommended for Boer War or history enthusiasts. But an interesting story. Also the subject of the 1980 film, Breaker Morant. The title comes from the last words of Harry Morant, yelled at the firing squad assembled for his execution, which were reported as: "Shoot straight, you bastards! Don't make a mess of it!"
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Choatecav

Part of the Furniture Now
Dec 19, 2023
599
1,652
Middle Tennessee
Correct.

Missouri voted to not succeed. Then our governor tried armed neutrality and the Yankees occupied our Capitol and appointed Governor Gamble. But only the 13th Amendment freed our slaves, and Missouri was not crushed and beaten at war’s end. My ancestors all rode for Governor Gamble and Lincoln.

Why the fire eaters in the South prevailed over the peacemakers was they hoped starting a war would cause states in the Upper South to succeed and join the Confederacy, which they did, to their sorrow.

It’s easy to see how the South was motivated to fight to the end to preserve their way of life.

But Abraham Lincoln used Fort Sumter to motivate 350,000 men to die invading the South to keep them in the Union.

Remember Fort Sumter was the Northern rallying cry.

Not until Germany gave Austria a blank check in 1914 was there more folly.

If nobody had started a civil war slavery would have lasted at least another generation. Emancipation would have been gradual, perhaps compensated, and certainly not in 1865 in utter defeat and ruin.

Larson is a masterful story teller.
Good comments here... Tennessee was not going to secede until Lincoln called for 100,000 troops to invade the southern states. Then it was virtually unanimous. Especially in Western and Middle Tennessee.
 
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