What are the Benefits to a Lovat Shape

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jpmcwjr

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The briar will absorb the moisture in the smoke better that ebonite will.
While true, the differential is infinitessimly small.
Same reasoning behind why an inner tube pipes tend to smoke wetter.
Different physics. The inner tube starts off cold, and moisture condenses inside the tube.

 

ricebiscuit

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"While true, the differential is infinitessimly small."
Agree, but better none the less. For some, it doesnt matter if the change is discernible. Mentally it makes it better and thats all that matters.
"Different physics. The inner tube starts off cold, and moisture condenses inside the tube."
Also agree. Would also argue that what moisture is produced and drops from the air stream during the smoke is not allowed to absorb into a metal tube. Briar affords that opportunity, however small it may be.
For the record, I dont subsrcibe to the thought that Lovats provide a superior, drier smoke - I cant tell the difference between lets say a billiard and a Lovat based on briar to ebonite ratio. But I have heard the argument from others.

 
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@Ricebiscuit, I have a reason to believe your assumptions are more or less correct, In my experience Lovat,Liverpools and Canadians do smoke somewhat drier & cooler in comparison to standard straight billiards,shape of which I'm a big fan too.

 

easydraw

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If I'm going to be driving or doing any work outside. I will probably reach for my Lovat first than any other pipe shape. Simply because it's so easy to clinch and is so balanced to smoke hands free for me. And for what ever reasone it requires fever relights.

 

tobefrank

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I really dig lovat and lumberman pipes, especially sandblasted ones.
In my opinion the shank should be at least twice as long as the saddle stem for a pipe to be a proper lovat or lumberman, otherwise it is closer to a billiard.
For a while I had a thing for lovats with longer than usual shanks. The longest I have been able to find was this long shanked lovat on Bruce Weaver’s website.
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sablebrush52

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Also agree. Would also argue that what moisture is produced and drops from the air stream during the smoke is not allowed to absorb into a metal tube. Briar affords that opportunity, however small it may be.

Agree, but better none the less. For some, it doesnt matter if the change is discernible. Mentally it makes it better and thats all that matters.
That's a perfect defense of magical thinking. All of my Scottie Piersel pipes are fully lined with a surgical steel tube inside the shank. None smoke wet. Zero. I've yet to see a single complaint along those lines about any of her output. Nor is she the first to do this. The amount of moisture involved in negligible.
Wet smokes are more the result of poor technique than anything to do with the pipe, whatever the shape. Dry tobacco delivers better flavors and doesn't deliver wet smokes.
And I still think lovats are ugly and that your mother dresses you funny.

 

jameshsi

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After 1 month past since I got my Castello Sea Rock Lovat from SP, I've try some different tobaccos with it, it seems to me, just my personal opinion, it's better when I smoke it with Virginia based tobaccos, I am not quite sure how you guys doing, can you share what tobaccos you tend to stuffed into your favorite lovat pipes ?

 

pianopuffer

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Depends on the pipe. Bowl diameter and depth affect the flavor and smoke for me the most.

Castellos are known for smoking "bright" so perhaps that explains your VA experience.

 

mso489

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Like any shape, the benefits vary from pipe to pipe. In the long stem category, I like Canadians with the oval shank and tapered stem best. However, I have a short shank Johs Lovat with the saddle stem and nice big bowl that I like a lot for being compact, light, and having plenty of chamber. I know he trots out a lot of pipes, but Johs does a good job by my lights.

 

hugodrax

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What is the benefit of a Lovat? It's bloody practical, that's what.
Full size billiard bowl, enough shank so that smoke does not go up one's nose, supreme clenchability, can be stowed in a shirt pocket...why, it's the pipe of the outdoorsman.
They're jaunty and useful, unlike yours truly, although it is hands down my favorite shape.

 

p40warhawk

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Lovats are okay, but for me, I buy the Pipes for the eventual smoke ability, the grain and Craftsmanship. When that all comes together, that is a Pipe I want for my collection. :puffpipe:
Dan

 
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