What a Samuel Gawith Tin Looks Like After 10 Years

[anotherbob]

The reps have actually been on here explaining why they do not seal their tins. They send them out with a plastic wrap around the edge to put blame for open tins on the customer. Of course it couldn’t be their fault, right? But yet, they do not seal the tins closed with vacuum because they hear complaints that sealed tins are too hard to open. Their words, not mine. So, in my opinion paying more money for the tins over bulk is idiotic. The logic of these guys… They make a good tobacco, but their PR and company logic leaves much to be desired.

No other tobacco company make a tin that can easily pop open without using a coin to twist off the lid. It must be the English that thinks that using a coin is just too complicated.

Maybe it's their way of giving the finger to the resale market.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

Maybe it's their way of giving the finger to the resale market.

Nope. Can't meet demand as it is, order book full for months....a tiny amount of resale makes no difference to us at all.

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

Actually the company owner (not a rep) is on here to constantly put right the "folklore" and other misrepresentations spread as well as answer queries. I have no idea where you apparently read the above as its complete nonsense. Not my words....you completely misconstruing what I have said. We don't have a PR team or person. Just one of the actual company owners bothering to come on here, mostly in my own time to answer posts.

I have never once said we DO NOT seal. In fact the opposite - hundreds of times. EVERY SINGLE TIN IS VACUUM SEALED - each tin is placed by hand into the vacuum sealer and sealed, then it is heat shrink wrapped as a security feature.

And there are very few other tobacco manufacturers that use rectangular tins like SG and GH do, most use round tins which by design are much easier to get a very tight seal on.

The 'English' have been making top quality tobacco for hundreds of years, so us 'English' will stick to doing this and not worrying about whether a tin needs a coin to open it or not, or whether the tin is going to seal for storing for 10+ years.

I have great respect for your tobacco making prowess and smoke your blends often. This does not however explain how so many of the new style rectangular tins reach the end Customer, in the USA, with the seal compromised. That's fact, I've personally seen it myself many times and transferred that product to mylar bags. I'm not trying to be critical, just passing along what might be information you're unaware of. Thanks for the great tobacco and many, many enjoyable smoking experiences.

 

[anotherbob]

Nope. Can't meet demand as it is, order book full for months....a tiny amount of resale makes no difference to us at all.

Can I ask? 20 years ago do you think the company ever thought it would be like that?

 

[smudgersmissingleg]

We do vacuum seal, every single tin.....as I have stated many many times. Yes only the standard rectangular tins have the heat shrink tamper seal (security feature - not a sealing device) as the round tins are limited edition only.

Thanks for the information.
You do realise that giving everyone the facts is spoiling all these guys' fun. This place is basically QAnon with added pipes.

Seriously though, I think everyone here appreciates you taking the time to set the record straight.

 

[Andriko]

I've never seen so many grown men moan about something so trivial. We all keep our tobacco in jars anyway.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Actually the company owner (not a rep) is on here to constantly put right the "folklore" and other misrepresentations spread as well as answer queries. I have no idea where you apparently read the above as its complete nonsense. Not my words....you completely misconstruing what I have said. We don't have a PR team or person. Just one of the actual company owners bothering to come on here, mostly in my own time to answer posts.

I have never once said we DO NOT seal. In fact the opposite - hundreds of times. EVERY SINGLE TIN IS VACUUM SEALED - each tin is placed by hand into the vacuum sealer and sealed, then it is heat shrink wrapped as a security feature.

And there are very few other tobacco manufacturers that use rectangular tins like SG and GH do, most use round tins which by design are much easier to get a very tight seal on.

The 'English' have been making top quality tobacco for hundreds of years, so us 'English' will stick to doing this and not worrying about whether a tin needs a coin to open it or not, or whether the tin is going to seal for storing for 10+ years.

First, my apologies for a joke that was meant to slight Briarlee, was deflected back to you by @rmbittner who couldn’t grasp the joke.
But, anyone on here from your company is doing public relations PR.

As to what was “misconstrued” came from one of several threads concerning your issue with customers receiving tins with lids off of them or lose lids. I too received some. Your response (or whoever was using your acct) that day turned the problem back on us. People in stores opening your tins, therefore the plastic bands. And then when asked why you didn’t seal the tins as much as all of the other companies, the response was that you reviewed complaints from customers that they were too hard to open. These “folklores” were just legitimate concerns of your customers.
I had asked a moderator if your acct was legit, I was told that it was, and it was a daughter or granddaughter. So, please excuse my misunderstanding on that issue.
I apologize for misgendering you, but it seems to have been a silly mistake. Just chock it up as another “folklore” if you will.

Your Dark Flake unscented has been a staple of my cellar as well as the ropes. You make a damn fine strong tobacco.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I've never seen so many grown men moan about something so trivial. We all keep our tobacco in jars anyway.

I only put bulk in jars. Why pay more for a tin that I am going to throw away? Others can do what they will. But, I’ve had no issues with other company’s seals in rectangular tins holding a strong seal for years. But, yeh, a silly joke on my part brings this into a silly other conversation… but apparently other people feel the same.

 

[rmbittner]

First, my apologies for a joke that was meant to slight Briarlee, was deflected back to you by @rmbittner who couldn’t grasp the joke.

I guess you’re right; I don’t know what “joke” you’re referring to in this thread.

 

[The Algerian]

Interesting discussion. Very fine tobacco, highly desired. I hope many of you will chose not to purchase more of it so that others of us can enjoy it, tin issues or not.

 

[smudgersmissingleg]

I've never seen so many grown men moan about something so trivial.

Have you actually spent any time on this forum? Par for the course

 

[gawithhoggarth]

I have great respect for your tobacco making prowess and smoke your blends often. This does not however explain how so many of the new style rectangular tins reach the end Customer, in the USA, with the seal compromised. That's fact, I've personally seen it myself many times and transferred that product to mylar bags. I'm not trying to be critical, just passing along what might be information you're unaware of. Thanks for the great tobacco and many, many enjoyable smoking experiences.

Oh definitely not unaware of it! And not going to explain again the temporary issue we had and why changes were made and where we are at now.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

Can I ask? 20 years ago do you think the company ever thought it would be like that?

Personally 20 years ago I was a young lawyer and not really involved in the running of the company much and neither was my brother, was was pursuing an engineering degree and career. But no, I don't think either of us really considered we'd be expanding the company as we are.

 

[anotherbob]

I've never seen so many grown men moan about something so trivial. We all keep our tobacco in jars anyway.

at least it's not a place for "tough" guys. They whine like they're trying to take the whining trophy from teenage girls. Or at least the ones I have gotten the misfortune of knowing. Though not actual tough guys (just the ones that tell you about it all the time, you know the guys that call you girl cause you shave) they usually don't think of themselves that way.

 

[AppalachianPipe92]

IBTL

 

[smudgersmissingleg]

Personally 20 years ago I was a young lawyer and not really involved in the running of the company much and neither was my brother, was was pursuing an engineering degree and career. But no, I don't think either of us really considered we'd be expanding the company as we are.

I'm going a bit off topic here, but I have a question. You've produced special editions for the late Queen's jubilees and I was wondering if you were going to make anything special for the King's coronation in May?

 

[grimpuffer]

As to what was “misconstrued” came from one of several threads concerning your issue with customers receiving tins with lids off of them or lose lids. I too received some. Your response (or whoever was using your acct) that day turned the problem back on us. People in stores opening your tins, therefore the plastic bands. And then when asked why you didn’t seal the tins as much as all of the other companies, the response was that you reviewed complaints from customers that they were too hard to open. These “folklores” were just legitimate concerns of your customers.
I had asked a moderator if your acct was legit, I was told that it was, and it was a daughter or granddaughter. So, please excuse my misunderstanding on that issue.
I apologize for misgendering you, but it seems to have been a silly mistake. Just chock it up as another “folklore” if you will.

I was reading through this thread and remembered the same, so I did find the post in question. So here is the thread you are thinking of, and the response in it:

G & H Balkan :: Pipe Tobacco Discussion

I have heard about jars. I have quite a few bulk blends that went immediately into jars. This was one of the "new" tins with the plastic seal around it. And I opened it only 2-3 weeks after purchase. The 14 months of age it had (after being provided the tin-date chart) would normally have...

pipesmagazine.com

"Except we then have complaints that tins are too hard to open if you need a screw driver or coin to get the lid off............and a tin can still be vacuum sealed without it needing great strength or a tool to open. Also it does not help the end consumer if a tin has been tampered with at some stage and is then still sent out to them. This way the lid is sealed on and so there is no doubt as to whether it has been tampered with at some stage prior. It was partly due to people trying tins in shops and then replacing lids and others then buying that this was introduced."

So I guess you were both correct

I have had C&D fail me more than SG in the sealed tin/can category. Now all my tobacco goes into jars. Not trusting any manufacturer's tins to be the aging vessel for any of my new purchases.

 

[anotherbob]

Personally 20 years ago I was a young lawyer and not really involved in the running of the company much and neither was my brother, was was pursuing an engineering degree and career. But no, I don't think either of us really considered we'd be expanding the company as we are.

I know what you mean by a young lawyer (you're about my age and you have had better jobs then me) but it sounds like the opposite of elder law.
It's kind of amazing to see where the company is now. Ten years ago I feel like most people either could get your brand locally and looked at it like it's just another brand out there. To now it's crazy to see how people scramble to get a hold of it. I think part of it is just how much there are no if you can't get gawithhoggarth try this instead. Sometimes the best bet is to be unique.

 

[briarbuck]

Nope. Can't meet demand as it is, order book full for months....a tiny amount of resale makes no difference to us at all.

Happy for you. As a small business owner, it's nice to hear someone is doing well these days.

Hope you have a great New Year.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

Thank you. What my brother has done with the company over the last few years is amazing. We are excited to take the company forward and explore new avenues and products. There are mostly certainly a lot of challenges but also lots to look forward to.

@anotherbob not sure I have had better jobs than you!! Until I landed back into the family company I was mostly running dog rescues and neutering campaigns across Eastern Europe.