Well I'm Fat Pt2

[JOHN72]

You had me at cow butter.

I forgot the bee milk....................

 

[Man-child]

Hope you can get healthy, man. I was a little too fat for a handful of years and am now cutting down. Protein is satiating and I heard we lose 30% of its calories to digestion.

 

[Sig]

You can provide links to back up your research if you like. Can't hurt to have your assertions backed up by accredited professionals. Maybe it's true. But the patently false statement you made about humans not making their own fat didn't help your credibility.

But also, even if it were true, so what? What are the doctors going to do? Ask him for surveillance footage from Anytime Fitness? This isn't oxycontin. It's not even an amphetamine appetite suppressant. How many people take statins but still eat high cholesterol food? Or heart medication and still smoke? Or sleeping pills but don't cut out coffee first? Personally I'm outraged, those damned doctors not surveiling us for compliance. Or... did we want the freedom to make decisions about what we do with our own bodies?

We'll all miss Benedictine when he's out pawning his pipes to fund his nefarious weight loss habit. Them there's the inevitable but awful "before-after" mugshot photos.

Wait, you're the one who asserted that these drugs are only given under certain "criteria". The criteria being that.....
"The patient has participated in a comprehensive weight management program that encourages behavioral modification, reduced-calorie diet, AND increased physical activity with continuing follow-up for at least 6 months prior to using drug therapy"

But that is absolutely not the case.
As far as the body making fat, you better re-read what you posted, because you dont understand what it says. You body absolutely cannot produce the type of fat that adds body weight without caloric intake....period. There are systems in our bodies that can convert stored carbohydrates into fat for survival. But that has nothing to do with the topic here. We need fat to survive, our bodies are good at surviving. Also some diseases can cause the body to synthesize fat....also for survival.
And again, this has nothing to do with the topic of meds versus caloric deficit and exercise.
Its been awhile, but I did go to med school....sorta.

 

[greeneyes]

But that is absolutely not the case.

If you and your friends say so. You and your friends could be right. In my view, what makes something "true" is that it's true for everyone, inside and outside your circle of friends. So you can provide evidence, from professional independent sources, or not. Doesn't matter to me.

As far as the body making fat, you better re-read what you posted, because you dont understand what it says. You body absolutely cannot produce the type of fat that adds body weight without caloric intake....period.

I've heard of this. It's the latest scientific research that says if you eat too much, it makes you put on fat.

You wrote "Your body does not produce its own fat." Period. This is incorrect.

Perhaps you meant to write "Your body does not produce its own fat under conditions of starvation" .. or "Your body does not deposit visceral and subcutaneous fat under conditions of starvation" but you didn't.

As for not understanding what I posted, I am a molecular biologist with 27 years experience who works in clinical research and have taught graduate level classes in those and other subjects. I know what I said. I do it for a living. I don't know if you know, and suspect you can't provide evidence for, much of what you're saying. But you have every opportunity to do so.

Also some diseases can cause the body to synthesize fat....also for survival.

So, the diseases, that make you synthesize more fat, for survival, but that kill you. I wish I had the survival disease. Sounds like something zombies get.

 

[georged]

The most famous bar fight rebuttal in history is ---

"Oh Yeah? Yo' momma ain't just ugly, she's FAT!"



Only on PSM do you get ---

"Oh Yeah? There is a high degree of probability that the structural dynamics of fatty acid synthase are adversely affecting the external appearance of your female progenitor!"

 

[brian64]

The most famous bar fight rebuttal in history is ---

"Oh Yeah? Yo' momma ain't just ugly, she's FAT!"



Only on PSM do you get ---

"Oh Yeah? There is a high degree of probability that the structural dynamics of fatty acid synthase are adversely affecting the external appearance of your female progenitor!"

You forgot the part about the combat boots.

 

[frozenchurchwarden]

So I finally got the results of my sleep apnea test and I have sever sleep apnea. My doctor has been on vacation but he will get my prior authorization approved for Zepbound when he gets back. He believes my sleep apnea is weight caused.

Nothing else has worked to lose weight. Not diet, exercise, nor fasting. I'm excited to try this new medication.

Losing weight by changing your diet isn't something that only works sometimes, either you changed your diet or you didn't.
If you're still fat then you've never actually been convinced to change your diet. Some people think the calories are worth dying for and some people don't.

 

[andrew]

Unfortunately two years of detail research has shown almost ZERO doctors require any lifestyle changes at all whatsoever. Once these drugs were approved by the FDA, the flood gates were open.
The same as with opioids 25 years ago.
The criteria to administer opioids was to try all other methods of pain management.....physical therapy, NSAIDS, weight loss......but as we know, none of that was followed.
Some doctors even opened "pain clinics" where they dispensed up to 90 days worth of Oxycontin with a 30 second evaluation. People traveled hundreds of miles to go to these clinics. Doctors made MILLIONS.
The exact thing is happening now with the GLP-1 drugs. Weight loss clinics are dispensing these drugs with a 1 minute consultation from a Physicians assistant with zero followup, just a quick monthly video appointment for refills.
All that nonsense about "criteria" is, as they say, "for the lawyers".
I personally know 3 people on these drugs. None of them were asked, or followed any criteria before use. They just literally asked their doctor.....three different doctors in three different cities. There are also hundreds of videos of people saying the same things. Many get the prescription with just one video visit. They never even meet the doctor in person.

I can get those same glp-1 drugs, no prescription, no consultation, at probably 1/10 of the costs directly from China and it's the same material used as the pharma companies use to make them. Probably more like 1/20 the cost. This isn't opioids

 

[The Benedictine]

Losing weight by changing your diet isn't something that only works sometimes, either you changed your diet or you didn't.
If you're still fat then you've never actually been convinced to change your diet. Some people think the calories are worth dying for and some people don't.

I changed my diet. Why would I lie about something like that? Don't be an idiot.

 

[fireground_piper]

I can get those same glp-1 drugs, no prescription, no consultation, at probably 1/10 of the costs directly from China and it's the same material used as the pharma companies use to make them. Probably more like 1/20 the cost. This isn't opioids

You did just kind of describe fentanyl.

 

[Sig]

I can get those same glp-1 drugs, no prescription, no consultation, at probably 1/10 of the costs directly from China and it's the same material used as the pharma companies use to make them. Probably more like 1/20 the cost. This isn't opioids

Nope, not opioids, and I never compared the two. I said that LIKE opioids, the GLP1 drugs are being misused and over prescribed by unscrupulous doctors...LIKE opioids were for years.

 

[Sig]

If you and your friends say so. You and your friends could be right. In my view, what makes something "true" is that it's true for everyone, inside and outside your circle of friends. So you can provide evidence, from professional independent sources, or not. Doesn't matter to me.

I've heard of this. It's the latest scientific research that says if you eat too much, it makes you put on fat.

You wrote "Your body does not produce its own fat." Period. This is incorrect.

Perhaps you meant to write "Your body does not produce its own fat under conditions of starvation" .. or "Your body does not deposit visceral and subcutaneous fat under conditions of starvation" but you didn't.

As for not understanding what I posted, I am a molecular biologist with 27 years experience who works in clinical research and have taught graduate level classes in those and other subjects. I know what I said. I do it for a living. I don't know if you know, and suspect you can't provide evidence for, much of what you're saying. But you have every opportunity to do so.

So, the diseases, that make you synthesize more fat, for survival, but that kill you. I wish I had the survival disease. Sounds like something zombies get.

Your body DOES NOT produce body fat in the way you think. Your body cannot produce fat into your cells, making you gain weight.
This has nothing to do with friends.
A little bit of research and you could learn this too. And you absolutely fo not understand what you posted. Now you're using semantics. The type of fat that makes you gain weight cannot be produced by your body. You cannot sit on your couch, eat NOTHING, and gain weight from fat....period. Under certain conditions like severe malnutrition, or a few diseases like fatty liver disesse, your body can use carbohydrates stored in muscle and convert it into fat. This fat is used immediately, and NEVER stored. You need protein carbohydrates, and fat to survive. And to keep and create neural pathways. If you have no fat left due to disease or severe malnutrition, your body can temporarily creates "fat" to survive. But, this causes other issues like muscle atrophy. If you truly do have the background you say, this is day one stuff.
Sinse you just need to win so bad that you use semantics to argue a losing argument, its just pointless. The papers you posted literally say what im saying. Is this bizarro world?
Im done with this nonsense, but, you will keep it going....have fun.

 

[WerewolfOfLondon]

A lot of what is being said here against the weight loss drugs is purely anecdotal. No one has produced any firm evidence that these are being dished out in the same way the opiate based drugs were. That said, it is quite easy to believe that doctors who were happy to dish out smack as though it was sweets, would also be happy to dish out these weight loss drugs in the same way. I can understand the scepticism. Nevertheless, in the absense of firm evidence I still think it behoves us to go with the judgement of the doctor who prescribed these drugs to the OP. A doctor who is unknown to anyone on this board can't be condemned for skullduggery just because he is a doctor.

 

[greeneyes]

Your body DOES NOT produce body fat in the way you think. Your body cannot produce fat into your cells, making you gain weight.
This has nothing to do with friends.
A little bit of research and you could learn this too. And you absolutely fo not understand what you posted. Now you're using semantics. The type of fat that makes you gain weight cannot be produced by your body. You cannot sit on your couch, eat NOTHING, and gain weight from fat....period. Under certain conditions like severe malnutrition, or a few diseases like fatty liver disesse, your body can use carbohydrates stored in muscle and convert it into fat. This fat is used immediately, and NEVER stored. You need protein carbohydrates, and fat to survive. And to keep and create neural pathways. If you have no fat left due to disease or severe malnutrition, your body can temporarily creates "fat" to survive. But, this causes other issues like muscle atrophy. If you truly do have the background you say, this is day one stuff.
Sinse you just need to win so bad that you use semantics to argue a losing argument, its just pointless. The papers you posted literally say what im saying. Is this bizarro world?
Im done with this nonsense, but, you will keep it going....have fun.

Your friends, remember, were talking about doctors, not fat cells.

And I, never, not once above, stated that fat accumulates when someone is starved of calories.

You seem to be arguing something but I'm not sure what it is any longer.

 

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Too many uninformed contrarians like yourself on this forum. I guess enthusiastic tobacco users are understandably defensive in this day and age. Comments like yours are why I’ve lost interest in Pipesmagazine.

 

[SmokingInTheWind]

Too many uninformed contrarians like yourself on this forum. I guess enthusiastic tobacco users are understandably defensive in this day and age. Comments like yours are why I’ve lost interest in Pipesmagazine.

It all makes sense now. Extraterrestrial Aliens visited me and sucked out 30 pounds of fat from my body while I was on a ketogenic diet. They must visit me on regular basis to keep me at the same weight. That explains all the lost time.

 

[ziv]

I learn so much from this forum, it's awesome.
Term of the week from this thread - egocentric bias.

 

[edger]

It all makes sense now. Extraterrestrial Aliens visited me and sucked out 30 pounds of fat from my body while I was on a ketogenic diet. They must visit me on regular basis to keep me at the same weight. That explains all the lost time.

BTW, pipes smokers are probably the last people you should go to for cogent info on nutrition.

 

[SmokingInTheWind]

BTW, pipes smokers are probably the last people you should go to for cogent info on nutrition.

I just offer anecdotal evidence based on my experience. People can take it or leave it. There is plenty of information on the health benefits of ketogenic diets in books and the internet for the curious minded.

 

[edger]

I just offer anecdotal evidence based on my experience. People can take it or leave it. There is plenty of information on the health benefits of ketogenic diets in books and the internet for the curious minded.

I don’t expect most people to adopt the ketogenic lifestyle, however, they should stop lying about it. Yes, most of the current “data” is anecdotal, but that’s largely due to the fact that studies are too expensive and the labs are pressured by Big Ag and Big Pharma not to undertake the study. The moral superiority of vegans is also a problem.