You might try here.
OK, that's different. They made flakes for Peretti and others , but not, with the exception of Cringle Flake, and Krampusnacht, can I think of any flake for which they are famous. Honestly who cares? Making a famous flake is a measure of what?
Yeh, that was Crash's hangup. We PM'd also while discussing. It's easy to miss those first few posts that explains what I am talking about. Of course I fully understand that they did a whole lot more than what the average guy would see.
Yes, I saw that, but thank you for the reminder. When the time comes to reformulate and make more of my own blends, I imagine I will be getting into the whole leaf cutting thing. Thanks for the link.You might try here.
Yenidje Oriental Wholesale Tobacco Leaves
The highly anticipated Yenidje (A.K.A. Yedidje, Basma) Oriental Tobacco Leaf is a wonderfully light and mellow addition to any tobacco leaf blend. Perhaps one of the lightest and smoothest leaves available, this TRUE Oriental leaf is usually very hard to come by, and has a unique mellow flavor...www.leafonly.com
I don't know the full extent of Sutliff's involvement with McClelland, other than supplying some component tobaccos, like Latakia. Who knows if they did fabricate flakes for them or not, besides Mike McNeil. As I recall, C&D did buy McClelland's press, but that's "insider" hearsay, not anything I could verify. Not that I would be that interested in any case.
Agree 100%* . While I don't know the exact number , there have to be dozens of profitable tobacconists/online vendors in the US .Since I know nothing about tobacco,other than smoking it,here's my ignorant opinion. Tobaccos like Yenidje are not "blended" they are grown. Sutliff didn't grow tobacco. The growers will still be wanting to sell their product and they probably don't care who buys it. Sure it has to be processed but if there's money to be made, someone will pick up the importing of it, if...there's money to be made. I suppose about anyone could import these tobaccos, as long as you had the connections the money and wanted to jump through the legal hoops. Telescopes, you could be the Yenidje king of the USA
I don't remember the name but Stokkebye used to have a straight Oriental blend and it was discontinued a couple years ago. It was pretty goodI've heard rumblings (though I realize that coming from random forum members could be as solid info as the rumblings that come not from our mouths but another orifice..) that the next leaf type to take a real nosedive in availability, quality, and variety (a-la Latakia) is going to be Turkish/Orientals...
I've also heard that this was one of the reasons speculated for being a coffin nail in the old Daughter's and Ryan (people may forget how one of their biggest bulks used to be Ramback which was considered one of the finest Turkish bulks around by many)...
Also been hearing that the more boutique varietals like Yendje have been drying up as well (perhaps another nail in the coffin of STG axing all the Russ Oulette H&H Balkans) though that one's pure speculation on my part...
... In your experience do you see any of this to be true?
It would certainly make sense to me based on the market trends. The funny thing is (another tangent that probably deserves it's own thread) that we hear SO MUCH about what an endangered species Perique is but imho that seems to be alot of bluster... sure it's a labor intensive process but it's made in this country and has seen alot of investment and protection both by Mark Ryan and C&D respectively. Hell, to me it seems like we're probably in the golden age of VaPer's... it seems almost every new blend (including the lion's share of new and/or limited releases) are essentially just new VaPer's...
Idk... this is all just the absurdities that echo through my skull. But very curious as to what actual insiders like you or @crashthegrey think about it though
Yes! It was called PS84 Turkish Blend... I have a pound that's going on a decade old socked away. Up until a few weeks ago Newminster also had a No. 84 Turkish (All copies of PS) but now that they're done, so is that blend along with nearly all their others.
Yeah I think the main issue now is with regulation. If this was any other industry things would look alot different... but the thing is who wants to put up hundreds of thousands to get into a space where once some beurocrat notices you sends a letter saying "Hey we're gonna need $1M per blend to test and its gonna take years and you can't sell anything til it's over and once it's done probably half or more will be banned"Agree 100%* . While I don't know the exact number , there have to be dozens of profitable tobacconists/online vendors in the US .
For example , Steve at Peretti's . Imagine dozens of Steves with thousands of dollars in their fists yelling "HEY , WE NEED A SUPPLIER ! ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE SOME MONEY ?!?!? HELLO ?!?!?
No , it wouldn't be easy . No business is easy to set up & run .
*Please don't give me the shallow "Well , why don't you do it ?" All I know about tobacco is how to load a bowl & light it ..........
Well, a lot of people talk and don't know what they're talking about or oversimplify things.Agree 100%* . While I don't know the exact number , there have to be dozens of profitable tobacconists/online vendors in the US .
For example , Steve at Peretti's . Imagine dozens of Steves with thousands of dollars in their fists yelling "HEY , WE NEED A SUPPLIER ! ANYBODY WANT TO MAKE SOME MONEY ?!?!? HELLO ?!?!?
No , it wouldn't be easy . No business is easy to set up & run .
*Please don't give me the shallow "Well , why don't you do it ?" All I know about tobacco is how to load a bowl & light it ..........
