Updating the History of Sasieni Pipes and Their Subsidiary Brands

[Stonemonk]

There is a new article on Sasieni Pipes on Pipedia that I wrote with the assistance of Jon Guss and Jesse SIlver. Al Jones and James McNally also contributed. I would like to introduce it to the Pipes Magazine Community. It is a work in progress...there are still more answers to get from the surviving materials but this article corrects many assumptions about Sasieni and, I hope, advances our knowledge, so that we understand our Sasieni collections better and are better informed when it comes to buying additions to our collections.

 

[greeneyes]

Do you have a link? I searched and wasn't sure which article you were referring to. Thanks.

 

[admin]

https://pipedia.org/wiki/Sasieni_Pipes_and_Their_Subsidiary_Brands

 

[BingBong]

Vogue, 1922 - "Or, if one is a woman - and so many people are -..." that got me!

What a stupendous piece of puzzle solving, excellent thank you. Fascinating, even though I don't own a Saseini.

Both Windus Road and Ellingfort Road are still extant, but one would be very hard pressed to identify the factory sites without street numbers; I'm local enough to be familiar with the general areas and perhaps one day will go for a sniff round looking for clues.

 

[sablebrush52]

Sasieni finally gets the thorough, scholarly, and eminently readable treatment that it deserves. There is a wealth of information packed into this article that will be of great service to its community of fans and collectors.

I wish someone would do this for Charatan.

I did spot one little typo in the Legend following Table V. PP should be for Pipephil.eu, not Pipeshil.eu. Tis but a small matter, but if the author is reading responses to this post it is a simple matter to address.

Congrats on shedding light on this important corner of the Britwood universe!

 

[greeneyes]

Sasieni finally gets the thorough, scholarly, and eminently readable treatment that it deserves. There is a wealth of information packed into this article that will be of great service to its community of fans and collectors.

I wish someone would do this for Charatan.

I did spot one little typo in the Legend following Table V. PP should be for Pipephil.eu, not Pipeshil.eu. Tis but a small matter, but if the author is reading responses to this post it is a simple matter to address.

Congrats on shedding light on this important corner of the Britwood universe!

I think also there was mention of John Redmond which, I believe, was meant to be John Redman.

 

[orlandofurioso]

There is a new article on Sasieni Pipes on Pipedia that I wrote with the assistance of Jon Guss and Jesse SIlver. Al Jones and James McNally also contributed. I would like to introduce it to the Pipes Magazine Community. It is a work in progress...there are still more answers to get from the surviving materials but this article corrects many assumptions about Sasieni and, I hope, advances our knowledge, so that we understand our Sasieni collections better and are better informed when it comes to buying additions to our collections.

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Who are you and how did you achieve this ?

 

[orlandofurioso]

Sasieni finally gets the thorough, scholarly, and eminently readable treatment that it deserves. There is a wealth of information packed into this article that will be of great service to its community of fans and collectors.

I wish someone would do this for Charatan.

I did spot one little typo in the Legend following Table V. PP should be for Pipephil.eu, not Pipeshil.eu. Tis but a small matter, but if the author is reading responses to this post it is a simple matter to address.

Congrats on shedding light on this important corner of the Britwood universe!

Wish I could Jesse.
And sadly Ken is no longer with us.

 

[orlandofurioso]

Is there a section in the article concerning the "Two dots" ?

 

[ssjones]

Bravo, what a resource, thanks for that labor of love!
I love the shape chart with catalog appearances. I'm surprised at the number of shapes/towns that never appeared in any catalog. It is going to take a while to digest the entire article.

 

[Stonemonk]

Thanks for the kind words. This was a labor of love that I was able to do because I was recovering from two knee replacement surgeries and because of the kindness of the several very knowledgable British pipe collectors, especially Jon and Jesse, who provided me with lots of sources. I have appended the most important of them to the end of the article as PDF's. Thanks too for discovering typos. I went over this article many times as did the very knowledgable James McNally who converted it to Pipedia style (lots of work!) but it's a long article and there are bound to be errors of commission and omission. I am back to work full time now and my responses will likely be slower than optimum but please let me know if you find more typos or can answer the questions I hope to have at least put in focus and provided some possible explanations of. I hope that the information from the major sources of Sasieni shapes will in many cases significantly reduce the range of possible dates of production from the standard 1919-45 and 1946-79. And that the shadow shapes in the previously undated circa 1981 pamphlet will be seen as they seem to have been, an attempt to revive a flagging market through new and interesting designs.

 

[Sea Lord]

This article is nothing short of impressive. Bloody good job on the author and collaborators' part!!!

 

[Stonemonk]

Is there a section in the article concerning the "Two dots" ?

Yes, Orlando There is a paragraph plus a few additional lines about the 2 Dot Sasienis, the patent for which was granted in December 1966. It's in the section about pipes from the "Alfred Epoch," the period when Abraham Alfred Sasieni, son of the founder Joel, managed the company: 1946-79.

 

[JimInks]

Yes, Orlando There is a paragraph plus a few additional lines about the 2 Dot Sasienis, the patent for which was granted in December 1966. It's in the section about pipes from the "Alfred Epoch," the period when Abraham Alfred Sasieni, son of the founder Joel, managed the company: 1946-79.

I have a question about that 1966 date because of the stamping of mine. The two dot that I own has the post-WW2 Sasieni logo style. Under it is stamped "Two Dot" in block lettering. Under that it is stamped "London made" in block lettering. I know that's typical post-war, pre-Cadogan Sasieni stamping.

It's the other side that I wonder about. It has the "Made in England" in a football like the one I've seen on earlier Comoy's pipes. My Mayfair is stamped the same way. Can you add any clarity to the "Made in..." stampings? Did the football style continue on to the 1960s?

Btw, you fellas did a fantastic job on providing us with "new-to-us" information because a lot of it is for people like me. Thank you for the hard work.

 

[orlandofurioso]

Yes, Orlando There is a paragraph plus a few additional lines about the 2 Dot Sasienis, the patent for which was granted in December 1966. It's in the section about pipes from the "Alfred Epoch," the period when Abraham Alfred Sasieni, son of the founder Joel, managed the company: 1946-79.

Thank you Monk, much appreciated.

 

[ssjones]

I have a question about that 1966 date because of the stamping of mine. The two dot that I own has the post-WW2 Sasieni logo style. Under it is stamped "Two Dot" in block lettering. Under that it is stamped "London made" in block lettering. I know that's typical post-war, pre-Cadogan Sasieni stamping.

It's the other side that I wonder about. It has the "Made in England" in a football like the one I've seen on earlier Comoy's pipes. My Mayfair is stamped the same way. Can you add any clarity to the "Made in..." stampings? Did the football style continue on to the 1960s?

Btw, you fellas did a fantastic job on providing us with "new-to-us" information because a lot of it is for people like me. Thank you for the hard work

I believe that the football Made In England stamp was used to the end of the Alfred Epoch era (1979).



In the post Family eras, the COM was moved to:

 

[JimInks]

I believe that the football Made In England stamp was used to the end of the Alfred Epoch era (1979).

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Thank you for the info.

 

[Stonemonk]

Al is exactly right here, Jimlnks. I have pipes in my collection dating around 1929 and continuing through the circa 1981 Rizla pamphlet, which is likely based on innovations begun in the prior half-decade as the Alfred Epoch was coming to a close before the sale of the company in 1979. Most of these pipes have versions of the football-shaped "Made in England" phrase.
I also want to express here my gratitude to Jimlnks for all your invaluable tobacco reviews on Tobacco Reviews.com. They have been very helpful in guiding my continuing search for my favorite blend. Thank you.

 

[JimInks]

Al is exactly right here, Jimlnks. I have pipes in my collection dating around 1929 and continuing through the circa 1981 Rizla pamphlet, which is likely based on innovations begun in the prior half-decade as the Alfred Epoch was coming to a close before the sale of the company in 1979. Most of these pipes have versions of the football-shaped "Made in England" phrase.
I also want to express here my gratitude to Jimlnks for all your invaluable tobacco reviews on Tobacco Reviews.com. They have been very helpful in guiding my continuing search for my favorite blend. Thank you.

I thank you for the kind compliments and the hard work that you did for us in our journeys.

 

[craig61a]

I briefly scanned the article. Mighty impressive, and a good reference. Kudos on the fine work.