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Worth noting that if your shillelagh is a traditional one with lead, you could well be stopped for carrying an offensive weapon these days in the UK. I looked into this when I looked at buying a shillelagh.

There a no way near as many 'secret' guns than you'd think, apart from in the hands of criminals. There have been a few armistices over the years where huge numbers of Second World War guns were handed in. Raises the question of why we didn't have huge amounts of shooting and gun crime even when there were lots of guns in the hands of presumably quite traumatised people.
same here in Finland, for many ,many years we had here the largest number of firearms(legal and no legal)in the world, just behind the US and,didn't have significant abounts of shootings back those days, today laws for obtaining handguns & rifles are quite strick but less so than in Germany or in the UK, yet knives (finnish'puukko ) are national tradition over here, especially in the rural northern part of the country.
 
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karam

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The problem is, no one ever gets the five year sentence, because anyone can concoct a plausible reason for carrying one (need it for work, just purchased it and am carrying it back from the shop etc). The carrying of knives is a very serious problem here, no doubt about it, and a problem without seeming rememdy, not like we can put an outright ban on knives.
Why is it a problem is the reason is indeed plausible? A legal system should take the least restrictive rule, and apply common sense - something I love about the UK. I recall buying a kitchen knife from Sainsbury's when I lived in the UK, it came in a reasonably tough plastic cover. I remember thinking if I'd be in some sort of trouble (though no sane policeman would stop someone carrying grocery bags!) but then realised I'd simply say "I just bought it mate, here's the receipt".

On the last point, I remember reading, could have been health and safety gone mad type of urban legend, that the UK was considering banning large+sharp knives out of the professional setting because people cut themselves taking out avocado seeds, or some nonsense like that. In fact it's so nonsensical that I'm sure it was written to stir people up.

In Switzerland my kids go to the forest once per month with their schools. Part of the stuff we had to supply them with were folding knives with clips for whittling wood to stick sausages over fire. I'm talking 4 years old! I remember wondering with my wife if that's a great idea, until saying to ourselves "the Swiss are probably right, as usual"!
 

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It never fails to amaze me how some Americans are naive enough to believe the second amendment is something that the government doesnt protect, and instead believe it is they themselves that protect it.
It was created so that the populace could defend against a tyrannical government. The government has been trying to find loopholes around it for years.
 

condorlover1

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There is alway some 'do gooder' who wants to enforce their values on the rest of us rubes. They share many common characteristics to traffic wardens or the classroom sneaks you encountered at school but just slightly older. I believe you call them 'Karens' in this country. Since I am blessed with the ability to fart on command I usually wait for them to sound off and then ventilate my backside in their presence before walking away! Often they have bizarre beliefs which in the pre-P.C days were the subject of damning humor like this example from Reggie Perrin a 1970s British comedy.

 

Sobrbiker

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I’m pretty sure if I spoke my mind, whether directly at my opinion on the topic at hand, or the many it has spread into, my account would be banned.

But I will ask, how many that talk about what the governments are doing, actually partake of processes available to give reasonable arguments pro/con to their system’s representatives tasked with representing?
If the time to make a post that will express your opinion on such a topic in what is essentially an echo chamber (a forum populated by interested parties) were spent on sending your wishes to those in place tasked to represent you, it would have a better chance of changing anything than griping online.
Heuristics are set to limit your opinion to people that play in the same circles, furthering division while never combatting powerful lobbies.

Sláinte!
 

JohnnyBeach

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I’m pretty sure if I spoke my mind, whether directly at my opinion on the topic at hand, or the many it has spread into, my account would be banned.

But I will ask, how many that talk about what the governments are doing, actually partake of processes available to give reasonable arguments pro/con to their system’s representatives tasked with representing?
If the time to make a post that will express your opinion on such a topic in what is essentially an echo chamber (a forum populated by interested parties) were spent on sending your wishes to those in place tasked to represent you, it would have a better chance of changing anything than griping online.
Heuristics are set to limit your opinion to people that play in the same circles, furthering division while never combatting powerful lobbies.

Sláinte!
Preaching to the choir produces no change.
But, while on this subject, Maine has become a nanny state. You cannot have tobacco shipped to you, as a customer, through USPS, FedEx or UPS. Against the law. So, we have to buy limited products at high prices from the existing shops, in person.
 

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What I thought. Most data I’ve seen regarding gun ownership notes increased crime with increased access whether death by suicide, domestic violence, or criminals stealing other lawful gun owners pieces which are then used in the act of committing crime. I’m not opposed to carry concealed or open carry but don’t buy into the idea a good guy with a gun prevents more crime.

But that’s just my .02 cents on the subject.

Also, Ive lived in the inner city of Milwaukee for close to thirty years and never felt the need to own a firearm for personal safety.
 

Sobrbiker

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What I thought. Most data I’ve seen regarding gun ownership notes increased crime with increased access whether death by suicide, domestic violence, or criminals stealing other lawful gun owners pieces which are then used in the act of committing crime. I’m not opposed to carry concealed or open carry but don’t buy into the idea a good guy with a gun prevents more crime.

But that’s just my .02 cents on the subject.

Also, Ive lived in the inner city of Milwaukee for close to thirty years and never felt the need to own a firearm for personal safety.
If $.02 is allowed, I can just say that DOJ and FBI stats are readily available that support that every state that has gone to be a “shall issue” state has had drops in violent crime, and that the areas with strictest gun control have inordinately high per capita deaths due to criminal gun violence.
 

HeavyLeadBelly

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If $.02 is allowed, I can just say that DOJ and FBI stats are readily available that support that every state that has gone to be a “shall issue” state has had drops in violent crime, and that the areas with strictest gun control have inordinately high per capita deaths due to criminal gun violence.
Can you post links to those stats?
 
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Also, Ive lived in the inner city of Milwaukee for close to thirty years and never felt the need to own a firearm for personal safety.
At least you have the option. We don't have that luxury in the UK. The only groups that have firearms in the UK are farmers (shotguns) and criminals.

Gun ownership isn't really a thing over here. Our gun crime figures are low but knife crime is pretty bad.
 
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