Tobaccos only available in UK?

[TheWhale13]

If synjeco ropes are in fact not being produced with another name at the moment, and it from another administration, their stock must be really old? (And small?)

 

[Ahi Ka]

If synjeco ropes are in fact not being produced with another name at the moment, and it from another administration, their stock must be really old? (And small?)

That’s what @karam and I are freaking out about…and what Harris is no doubt chuckling about.

To clarify it is not just ropes, but they have other house blends/flakes which were Kendal made too.

I have emailed Daniel, but some of you might have a better communication line with him, as I’m literally on the other side of the globe

 

[gawithhoggarth]

Does Synjeco Ch sell G&H Rich Dark Honeydew/Spring Dew, ?If they do I must get a hold of a pack or two..

It's available to order for export.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

These may have been made especially for Synjeco before we took over Samuel Gawith and maybe continued for a short while afterwards but we do not currently do (with maybe one exception) specialist blends for tobacconists as we simply do not have the capacity to do this and it is not cost effective. And gets difficult with product registration and labelling and packaging requirements etc.

 

[Ahi Ka]

These may have been made especially for Synjeco before we took over Samuel Gawith and maybe continued for a short while afterwards but we do not currently do (with maybe one exception) specialist blends for tobacconists as we simply do not have the capacity to do this and it is not cost effective. And gets difficult with product registration and labelling and packaging requirements etc.

That’s what we figured. I would be interested to know whether GH would release the stuff previously made for synjeco under their own brand. The ropes and flakes are worthy of production and are different enough from those which you currently make.

Is it too presumptuous to ask what the exception is?

 

[TheWhale13]

Yeah I get why you are freaking out haha. Never tried it myself, don't know if It's even worth trying to buy from Synjeco considering EU and taxes.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

Brown Sugar made for Sutliff, originally done for the DanishPipeShop.

IF SG did use to make these under agreement with a particular tobacconist........

and they are not just blends made by the tobacconist and sold under our 'banner'. The problem is we don't know what is in these blends. We get asked this from time to time. Its like Flying Finger (think that's correct) that was made from some of our stuff apparently, put out as ours etc but we have no clue what it is or what is in it. And never made by us yet everyone thought it was. It would all need to be 'reverse engineered' I guess! Not saying never but at the moment just too much else to do to meet regulatory requirements, to try and meet demand for current products and increase production etc.

With all rules and regulations now a days we have to be very sure that tobacco being sold under our name and brand is indeed made by us, product registrations are all in place and packaging and labelling is all correct.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

I think laudisi just became the distributor for the SG product line, so there were some plugs dropped in the last month or so

Been distributor for a bit now, at least a couple of years.

 

[Ahi Ka]

Been distributor for a bit now, at least a couple of years.

Regardless, for our American friends there were some pretty big changes recently in what was imported

Samuel Gawith Tin And 250g Box Laudisi Availability List, Including 7 Plugs :: Pipe Tobacco Discussion

I heard a Memo went out to shops Friday, so I pulled up the Laudisi web page just to see that there was something solid behind the talk, and found this. https://www.laudisi.com/samuel-gawith.cfm Answers a lot of questions being asked in other threads. According to what I heard about the memo...

pipesmagazine.com

 

[karam]

These may have been made especially for Synjeco before we took over Samuel Gawith and maybe continued for a short while afterwards but we do not currently do (with maybe one exception) specialist blends for tobacconists as we simply do not have the capacity to do this and it is not cost effective. And gets difficult with product registration and labelling and packaging requirements etc.

Thanks, makes sense.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

That’s what we figured. I would be interested to know whether GH would release the stuff previously made for synjeco under their own brand. The ropes and flakes are worthy of production and are different enough from those which you currently make.

Is it too presumptuous to ask what the exception is?

Unlikely as we have no idea what these products are and having asked around no one can ever remember making such products especially for Synjeco and some of these guys have worked for us for 30 to 40 years. They have never heard of this Holker Twist or Bad Nun.

 

[Ahi Ka]

Unlikely as we have no idea what these products are and having asked around no one can ever remember making such products especially for Synjeco and some of these guys have worked for us for 30 to 40 years. They have never heard of this Holker Twist or Bad Nun.

I don’t want to come across as a dick as I’m super grateful for your participation on this forum, but I find that answer strange.

The ropes which are sold under the Synjeco name are Kendal through and through. If they were not being made at the SG factory prior to the merger/acquisition (sorry I’m not sure what term is correct), then somebody was making twists which were on par, if not better, than what comes out of the Gawith factory - a thought which I find equally disturbing as exciting.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

We suspect the twists are just our ropes and then given a different name and sold as a "special" when actually they are the same as being sold elsewhere (from what we can identify by pictures as we do not have the actual product). But nothing is being made at the factory under these names. I don't think Samuel Gawith made twists (not in recent history anyway), so these likely were/are Gawith Hoggarth ropes being sold under our banner and a different name for marketing purposes. The same people have been making these for 30+ years and have never heard of Holker twist etc. The other 'special' blends Synjeco does that are down as "Kendal made", no idea. Whether some former agreement many years ago who knows but no-one at Gawith's now (and some worked for SG for several years) have ever heard of these ropes/blends.

Are these twists still available from Synjeco to order? As we haven't processed an order for quite a while now for there.

 

[Ahi Ka]

The ropes are different to the one’s currently produced under the GH label. They filled a nice spot as the straight Virginia ones were lighter than the brown bogie and pigtail, and the ones with a perique heart were fuller, but in a different direction to the steamed black twists.



As for SG twists, their #4 was outstanding.

Edit: @karam any word on whether the synjeco blends are still being made?

 

[gawithhoggarth]

I cannot comment on the other twists. But on the ones that state made by Kendal manufacturers for Synjeco (Greedodd and Holker) I can categorically say these are not made in our factory under this name or any agreement. And no one is aware that they ever were. And are certainly not now nor have been for a while.

We also do not know how he had Jubilee blend listed for sale, as this was not produced for anywhere outside the UK market.

I guess future availability will tell us a lot.

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

Does anybody know which company in England produces B&H Special (formerly known as Mellow)Virginia blend today ?

 

[gawithhoggarth]

Does anybody know which company in England produces B&H Special (formerly known as Mellow)Virginia blend today ?

Think its STG? Not England. Don't think there are any other actual pipe tobacco manufacturers in England except us.

 

[PaulTheScandinavian]

Think its STG? Not England.

Thanks for the clarification and a Happy weekend to You'll in England.

 

[karam]

They're most definitely not rebranded GH ropes, they are markedly different. The wrapper leaf is a fire cured Virginia I've only tasted in GH ropes, the structure of the twist strongly suggests they were made by someone who both knows how to do it and has machines which can process "endless" rope, unlike the MacBaren/STG coins which are a meter long or so, and straight, not twisted.

I don't think Samuel Gawith made twists (not in recent history anyway).

Are these twists still available from Synjeco to order? As we haven't processed an order for quite a while now for there.

Re SG: what about Brown No.4? I see, and used the wayback machine to check, that the tobaccoreviews page for brown no.4 has been edited after May '21 to not mention cigar leaf and Dark Fired Kentucky. I have smoked brown no.4 - have an unopened tin of it somewhere from 2020 maybe - and know that what I smoked certainly had DFK in it.

These, and others like Bad Nun 1&2 are still available to order from Synjeco, and maybe I should if they are about to disappear in the mists of time, because they are stellar tobaccos.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

Sorry my bad, Brown Number 4 (and another) not listed under the long list of twists on the export list, but under SG tins. So yes there are 2 SG twists produced and sold in tins.

Tobaccoreviews.com is just a review site, it should not be taken as gospel. We are not editing anything on it or even submitting anything to it etc.

I don't know what to tell you. People are saying they are most definitely Gawith ropes, Kendal ropes and our production staff agree they look very similar to our ropes from pictures, yet you are saying they are not the same as the twists we produce. I am telling you we do not make speciality twists for anyone. So either there is some backyard twist maker hiding down in a basement somewhere in Kendal with old machinery and skills or they are twists produced by someone entirely different - but then why the need to market them as being made by a Kendal manufacturer? Surely if they are as good as people say, they would sell on their own merit without needing to use our name to sell them. And our packaging? Or they are indeed just our ropes.

So how are they markedly different? If it's the same wrapper leaf and the same structure" - what's different about them?

They're most definitely not rebranded GH ropes, they are markedly different. The wrapper leaf is a fire cured Virginia I've only tasted in GH ropes, the structure of the twist strongly suggests they were made by someone who both knows how to do it and has machines which can process "endless" rope, unlike the MacBaren/STG coins which are a meter long or so, and straight, not twisted.

Re SG: what about Brown No.4? I see, and used the wayback machine to check, that the tobaccoreviews page for brown no.4 has been edited after May '21 to not mention cigar leaf and Dark Fired Kentucky. I have smoked brown no.4 - have an unopened tin of it somewhere from 2020 maybe - and know that what I smoked certainly had DFK in it.

These, and others like Bad Nun 1&2 are still available to order from Synjeco, and maybe I should if they are about to disappear in the mists of time, because they are stellar tobaccos.