Tobaccos only available in UK?

[karam]

Sorry my bad, Brown Number 4 (and another) not listed under the long list of twists on the export list, but under SG tins. So yes there are 2 SG twists produced and sold in tins.

Tobaccoreviews.com is just a review site, it should not be taken as gospel. We are not editing anything on it or even submitting anything to it etc.

I don't know what to tell you. People are saying they are most definitely Gawith ropes, Kendal ropes and our production staff agree they look very similar to our ropes from pictures, yet you are saying they are not the same as the twists we produce. I am telling you we do not make speciality twists for anyone. So either there is some backyard twist maker hiding down in a basement somewhere in Kendal with old machinery and skills or they are twists produced by someone entirely different - but then why the need to market them as being made by a Kendal manufacturer? Surely if they are as good as people say, they would sell on their own merit without needing to use our name to sell them. And our packaging? Or they are indeed just our ropes.

So how are they markedly different? If it's the same wrapper leaf and the same structure" - what's different about them?

Thanks for your response.

When I said they are markedly different I should have been clearer. They have the wrapper I've come to know as the GH dark Virginia wrapper, but the inside is bright Virginia +/- Perique which I haven't seen in a GH rope.

It's fine, I hypothesized that some bespoke ropes may have been made for specific suppliers at some point in time. I don't believe synjeco ever claimed they are made in Kendal, so this is likely community hypothesis based on the similarities noted above, and written as such on tobaccoreviews. Then again there are plenty here with vast experience in pipe smoking and hundreds of blends under their belts, so aside from going with my own taste buds I do trust their opinion when I read "they probably are a Kendal product".

In any case, this is just us trying to understand where the market stands, really appreciate you're active here!

 

[jaingorenard]

Think its STG? Not England. Don't think there are any other actual pipe tobacco manufacturers in England except us.

Wilsons of Sharrow have just released a new line of pipe tobaccos - I've tried a couple of them. I presume they're produced by Wilsons of Sharrow rather than by someone else under their name, but I could be wrong.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

Made for Wilson's by STG I believe but need to check that.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

It's fine, I hypothesized that some bespoke ropes may have been made for specific suppliers at some point in time. I don't believe synjeco ever claimed they are made in Kendal, so this is likely community hypothesis based on the similarities noted above, and written as such on tobaccoreviews. Then again there are plenty here with vast experience in pipe smoking and hundreds of blends under their belts, so aside from going with my own taste buds I do trust their opinion when I read "they probably are a Kendal product".

In any case, this is just us trying to understand where the market stands, really appreciate you're active here!

But Synjeco state on their website that these two twists are made for them by a Kendal Manufacturer????? Whilst noting the tobacco takes the basis of other ropes/twists I have never heard of. Now given we are most definitely the only manufacturer in Kendal....and we don't make these twists under these names.......and we have seen photos of these twists being sent out in our branded packaging???????

 

[AroEnglish]

Tobaccoreviews.com is just a review site, it should not be taken as gospel. We are not editing anything on it or even submitting anything to it etc.

I know time and resources are limited but it would be great if you did. Fans of tobacco appreciate the contents and love being able to compare blends. I think it would encourage and ven expand your customer base to see that you're keen to meet and engage the consumers' interests. At least for me it's one of the main reasons I primarily shop at one retailer.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

But its for consumers to review tobaccos they have smoked, not for manufacturers. I am not sure except for leaving reviews (or advertising) how else you can take part? I am active on various forums and we have social media to engage with consumers. As well as attending various pipe and tobacco events.

 

[karam]

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But Synjeco state on their website that these two twists are made for them by a Kendal Manufacturer????? Whilst noting the tobacco takes the basis of other ropes/twists I have never heard of. Now given we are most definitely the only manufacturer in Kendal....and we don't make these twists under these names.......and we have seen photos of these twists being sent out in our branded packaging???????

Well, I didn't know, never paid much attention to the description. The packaging it's come to me in is a simple ziplock bag.

 

[AroEnglish]

But its for consumers to review tobaccos they have smoked, not for manufacturers. I am not sure except for leaving reviews (or advertising) how else you can take part? I am active on various forums and we have social media to engage with consumers. As well as attending various pipe and tobacco events.

I guess I was thinking correcting any incorrect information about your blends on it. I don't know how that happens, though.

 

[simong]

Wilsons of Sharrow have just released a new line of pipe tobaccos - I've tried a couple of them. I presume they're produced by Wilsons of Sharrow rather than by someone else under their name, but I could be wrong.

What were they like, any good?
Made for Wilson’s by somebody in Eastern Europe, Czechoslovakia I think.

 

[Ahi Ka]

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But Synjeco state on their website that these two twists are made for them by a Kendal Manufacturer????? Whilst noting the tobacco takes the basis of other ropes/twists I have never heard of. Now given we are most definitely the only manufacturer in Kendal....and we don't make these twists under these names.......and we have seen photos of these twists being sent out in our branded packaging???????

I think you need to put the “names” aside for a second. Synjeco could call them whatever they wanted.

In the production descriptions, the references to “taking the basis of” is essentially to do with the size/gauge of the ropes. So greenodd/clegir are pigtails whereas holker/oxenfisl are closer to an x or xx sized rope.

Like at @karam i have never seen these ropes in factory boxes labeled with Kendal branding - however if they were, I’d assume giving the 250g box size they would have SG branding.

The way the twists are spun and pressed screams of a Kendal factory, as does the residual Lakelands aroma I get in some bowls of the straight Virginia ones - could be placebo.

These ropes are not just repackaged commonly available Gawith twists, nor do I think their marketing relies on the Kendal factory references as they are good tobacco in their own right.

But…

As you say, if there is no record or memory of any custom orders being made for synjeco (or an intermediary) then it is really alarming. We may have lost another tobacco without realising.

Was it an after hours back door production run? Seems unlikely given how long the blends have been for sale.

The same logic applies for some anonymous chap secretly using antique machinery down the road from you guys, or anywhere in Britain for that matter.

I really hope we can get to the bottom of this one. At this stage, I don’t think anyone needs to feel bad if lies have been spun or the truth slightly twisted. Finding their provenance would be amazing.

Caveat: I have never smoked cabbies mixture, or it’s uncut twist form.

 

[fireground_piper]

Has anyone asked synjeco? I don’t partake in any of these blends but just reading the thread I keep asking myself…….why doesn’t someone just ask the retailer?

 

[Ahi Ka]

Has anyone asked synjeco? I don’t partake in any of these blends but just reading the thread I keep asking myself…….why doesn’t someone just ask the retailer?

I emailed the owner as soon as this conversation started. I have yet to hear back.

 

[karam]

Caveat: I have never smoked cabbies mixture, or it’s uncut twist form.

How did cabbie's get in here? Cabbie's is great, similar yet different to G&H Curly Cut Deluxe. Maybe an uncut version was promotional, I certainly never saw it on sale anywhere, but where there's a flake, there's been a plug, and where there're coins there's been a rope.

Personally I'd sleep this thread.

 

[Ahi Ka]

How did cabbie's get in here? Cabbie's is great, similar yet different to G&H Curly Cut Deluxe.

Personally I'd sleep this thread.

Agreed. I really hope you can stock up on the nuns while they are in stock, and in the process find out some more dirt.

I brought cabbies up as I realised it is a va/per twist and wouldn’t be able to comment on how close it was to greenodd etc. however I kinda relied on any similarities being made by the likes of yourself

 

[karam]

Agreed. I really hope you can stock up on the nuns while they are in stock, and in the process find out some more dirt.

I brought cabbies up as I realised it is a va/per twist and wouldn’t be able to comment on how close it was to greenodd etc. however I kinda relied on any similarities being made by the likes of yourself

Not at all similar, it doesn't have the dark fired Virginia wrapper - I'd know since I dislike that leaf. It does have the Kendal whiff but that's all. It's got the delicious sweet/sour/savoury quality of Curly Cut Deluxe but it's still fairly different, a bit toned down, I prefer G&H Curly Cut Deluxe.

 

[gawithhoggarth]

I think you need to put the “names” aside for a second. Synjeco could call them whatever they wanted.

Mmmm....no they can't. Not if it is our product and not if using our packaging. And for legal reasons for registration of products you cannot simply do this.

SG twists come in tins (50g), GH twist is in 250g.

I believe we did do an uncut version of Cabbies a while back for Synjeco as a special but we no longer do special versions of blends for distributors as simply not possible with current production schedules and order book.

 

[jaingorenard]

What were they like, any good?
Made for Wilson’s by somebody in Eastern Europe, Czechoslovakia I think.

Not really my thing, but I suppose they were okay for what they were. I was given samples of four aromatics and tried two, one was reasonable, one not at all to my taste. I think they have a fifth tobacco that is just a straight bright Virginia, but as the description says it's good as a mixer I doubt it's that complex.

 

[Ahi Ka]

Mmmm....no they can't. Not if it is our product and not if using our packaging. And for legal reasons for registration of products you cannot simply do this.

SG twists come in tins (50g), GH twist is in 250g.

I believe we did do an uncut version of Cabbies a while back for Synjeco as a special but we no longer do special versions of blends for distributors as simply not possible with current production schedules and order book.

Yes I agree that random relabelling of your existing product line without your awareness would be untoward. However with the products in question, we are not talking about a simple relabelling of one of your blends (eg. Like McGahey’s applejack twist), but a unique blend produced for Synjeco, and it is therefore possible that it’s shelf name and it’s production name/code were different.

Regardless, we are going to just keep going around in circles. Hopefully someone can get some more information from Daniel, and I trust that if anything emerges in your neck of the woods you will share it here.

Intriguing to hear GH twists come boxed in 250g packages, I’ve only seen these in 500g boxes. I’ll need to look into this.

Again, Rachel, I do appreciate the back and forward. As a pipe smoker in NZ my options are pretty limited as is, given my preference for plugs and ropes.

Cheers

 

[smudgersmissingleg]

Mmmm....no they can't. Not if it is our product and not if using our packaging. And for legal reasons for registration of products you cannot simply do this.

SG twists come in tins (50g), GH twist is in 250g.

I believe we did do an uncut version of Cabbies a while back for Synjeco as a special but we no longer do special versions of blends for distributors as simply not possible with current production schedules and order book.

I'm pretty sure I remember you making an uncut version of Cabbies for Glynn Quelch at GQ Tobaccos, back in the day.

 

[ttttrrrr]

@gawithhoggarth
I just received two boxes of GreemoddRopes in March 2023, packaged in GH green packaging boxes, each weighing 250g.
Can you tell from the photos that the product was shipped from your factory?