Tobacco Restrictions In Connecticut

[MisterBadger]

I'm posting this here, rather than in 'Tobacciana History', in hopes it will give comfort to any who are fearing that the latter-day Puritans will prevail and make our lives miserable (for our own good, of course). If our Moderator orders its removal, so be it: I shall cut and paste it on the History page. Meanwhile, see that in terms of anti-tobacco legislative insanity, nothing is new...

"As early as 1640, the Connecticut colony made a law restricting the use of tobacco to that grown in the colony... and yet in 1646-47 a law was enacted forbidding every person under 20 years old and every other person who had not before become a tobacco user, to use any tobacco without certificate from a physician that it would be beneficial to him... Nor should tobaccobe used publicly in the streets... Massachusetts Bay had similar restrictive legislation." (Source: George K. Holmes, "Some Features of Tobacco History", American Historical Association, Agricultural History Society Papers, Vol. 2 (1923), p.394).

Take consolation, my friends, in the thought that self-righteous power-fetishists and control-freaks come and go, and that what some would have us believe is the inexorable tide of History, is merely an ebb and flow over the Sands of Time, or the tick-tock of the swinging of a pendulum of a clock, from one position to another. Selah.

 

[Hillcrest]

Sounds more like an effort to control and make money rather than help any consumer IF ITS TRUE.

 

[jguss]

Take consolation, my friends, in the thought that self-righteous power-fetishists and control-freaks come and go, and that what some would have us believe is the inexorable tide of History, is merely an ebb and flow over the Sands of Time, or the tick-tock of the swinging of a pendulum of a clock, from one position to another

Any consolation taken from that viewpoint would be cold indeed.

The long run is a misleading guide to current affairs. In the long run we are all dead.

~ JMK

 

[MisterBadger]

Sounds more like an effort to control and make money rather than help any consumer IF ITS TRUE.

@Hillcrest - I confess that, though in times past, I may occasionally (though NEVER on PipesMagazine or in any other context as serious as this) sometimes falsified scholarly references for comic effect, after the manner of Jorge Luis Borges and Flann O'Brian, I took the extract above from JSTOR, a most respectable online compendium of academic monographs, and I hardly think that the pages of the American Agricultural History Society Papers of 1923 could at all be regarded as somewhere for frivolous pseudepigraphers to have a laugh. But as for the motive, to what extent governments have sought to control and make money rather than help people, is a moot point.

 

[MisterBadger]

Any consolation taken from that viewpoint would be cold indeed.

@jguss Take heart: we may outlive the New Puritans yet and survive to see the dawning of a new Golden Age of Tobaccoing

 

[Hillcrest]

They kept going to the point that the tobacco industry in Ct is dead thanks to restrictions and taxation.

 

[Zamora]

Sounds more like an effort to control and make money rather than help any consumer IF ITS TRUE.

Yeah like how New Zealand scrapped their generational tobacco ban after they realized it would result in massive loss of tax revenue, not because they thought maybe it was overreach and they shouldn't dictate how adults live their lives

 

[Zamora]

They kept going to the point that the tobacco industry in Ct is dead thanks to restrictions and taxation.

Yep barely any Connecticut Shade or Connecticut Broadleaf cigar tobacco is still grown there, most Shade is now grown in Ecuador and Broadleaf in Nicaragua. That used to be a thriving industry and there were even a few cigar factories in Connecticut

 

[Hillcrest]

Yep barely any Connecticut Shade or Connecticut Broadleaf cigar tobacco is still grown there, most Shade is now grown in Ecuador and Broadleaf in Nicaragua. That used to be a thriving industry and there were even a few cigar factories in Connecticut

When I was a kid, you could go to a newstand and buy a 5 or 10 cent Topstone, Muniemaker, or FD Graves right from the open box on the counter that came right from the factory the day before ... always fresh. No more. I

 

[AreBee]

They kept going to the point that the tobacco industry in Ct is dead thanks to restrictions and taxation.

Land is very expensive in my state of CT, taxes and labor costs added to that don’t allow a lot of profit in the industry here. When Amazon comes calling, Hundreds of acres of shade tobacco disappears. This land is not far from our airport so there are giant distribution centers every where. Tire Rack, CVS, Walgreens, Dollar General, etc. Housing market is very tight and homes are at a premium, so developers are thriving in the Connecticut River Valley. All that means less land for tobacco. Very sad.

 

[anotherbob]

I'm posting this here, rather than in 'Tobacciana History', in hopes it will give comfort to any who are fearing that the latter-day Puritans will prevail and make our lives miserable (for our own good, of course). If our Moderator orders its removal, so be it: I shall cut and paste it on the History page. Meanwhile, see that in terms of anti-tobacco legislative insanity, nothing is new...

"As early as 1640, the Connecticut colony made a law restricting the use of tobacco to that grown in the colony... and yet in 1646-47 a law was enacted forbidding every person under 20 years old and every other person who had not before become a tobacco user, to use any tobacco without certificate from a physician that it would be beneficial to him... Nor should tobaccobe used publicly in the streets... Massachusetts Bay had similar restrictive legislation." (Source: George K. Holmes, "Some Features of Tobacco History", American Historical Association, Agricultural History Society Papers, Vol. 2 (1923), p.394).

Take consolation, my friends, in the thought that self-righteous power-fetishists and control-freaks come and go, and that what some would have us believe is the inexorable tide of History, is merely an ebb and flow over the Sands of Time, or the tick-tock of the swinging of a pendulum of a clock, from one position to another. Selah.

history shows us how little is actually new. Still not even close to the most restrictive tobacco laws in history. In parts of what is now Iran you could be beheaded for growing coffee or tobacco. It was a long time ago.

 

[Hillcrest]

history shows us how little is actually new. Still not even close to the most restrictive tobacco laws in history. In parts of what is now Iran you could be beheaded for growing coffee or tobacco. It was a long time ago.

Please don't give them any ideas to try !

 

[anotherbob]

history shows us how little is actually new. Still not even close to the most restrictive tobacco laws in history. In parts of what is now Iran you could be beheaded for growing coffee or tobacco. It was a long time ago.

side note the ruler that made those laws was noted both as a really good guy who allowed lots of freedoms and tyrannical bastard on things like the tobacco and coffee thing. Sometimes by the same person.

 

[anotherbob]

Please don't give them any ideas to try !

they got bigger fish to fry. Which means you're probably right. You know since it's easier to fry smaller fish.

 

[Hillcrest]

they got bigger fish to fry. Which means you're probably right. You know since it's easier to fry smaller fish.

They take a perverse pleasure in knocking out low hanging fruit in some areas !

 

[anotherbob]

They take a perverse pleasure in knocking out low hanging fruit in some areas !

who doesn't? Every once in a while at least.

 

[MisterBadger]

They take a perverse pleasure in knocking out low hanging fruit in some areas !

who doesn't? Every once in a while at least.

In most of us, it is mere laziness. But there are some depraved souls who seem to make bullying micro-management their lives' work. And they seem to gravitate naturally to various institutions of government. To expand much on this would probably get me a slap from the moderators.

 

[Hillcrest]

In most of us, it is mere laziness. But there are some depraved souls who seem to make bullying micro-management their lives' work. And they seem to gravitate naturally to various institutions of government. To expand much on this would probably get me a slap from the moderators.

or a tax.

 

[anotherbob]

In most of us, it is mere laziness. But there are some depraved souls who seem to make bullying micro-management their lives' work. And they seem to gravitate naturally to various institutions of government. To expand much on this would probably get me a slap from the moderators.

the problem is the jerks that tell everyone to do what they're good at. Some people shouldn't do the things they excel at. Side note one major problem with not just government institutions but many positions in these lives of ours... is that often certain positions don't attract the people who would be best at it but often either the people who abuse the position or just flat out don't understand what it actually involves. I've seen it often in mid level managers. Some of them just want a job where people have to listen to them since even their dog ignore them, or they think it's easy and don't understand the stresses and difficulty in just being responsible for a team. Often if you understand a position you would only want it if someone else wasn't qualified and you're the last option.
Another one that I think is on all of us. We over value confidence. If you for example understand a job and the ins and outs of it, you'll have doubts. It's the idiots that don't really get it that think it's easy and exhibit off the charts confidence. (always exceptions some confidence is earned, but even then there is some doubt).

 

[anotherbob]

or a tax.

Sorry about that. I was honestly just trying to see how far I could go with that scam and at this point I actually feel really bad. This site can't levy taxes. That said my favorite so far is the eagle tax (though I did actually send that to an eagle sanctuary so....)