Tobaccus Geraniumus!Does anyone else make the mistake when saying their name out loud of calling them Gawith and Hogwarts?
Tobacco Globalism
- Thread starter woodsroad
- Start date
SmokingPipes.com Updates
Watch for Updates Twice a Week
PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor
Site Sponsors
PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor
PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor
PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor
PipesMagazine Approved Sponsor
- Status
Damn Pappy, GH is getting all slappy because you read a company's website and asked a question. Seems like a normal company would have just answered the question without all the...
...BS!
But to be fair, I can't find on the Kopp site that they actually produce Samuel Gawith. Or I'm not searching well 
Startseite - Kopp Tobaccos - https://kopp-tobaccos.com/ <Pappy said it was this one. But, maybe he just read it wrong. But, poor guy could have just gotten a yes or no....BS!
I think it came from a series of different maps showing not geography but certain peoples global outlooks.Whoever made this map is obviously a perverted degenerate probably living in his parents basement studying the origins of porn categories and apparently a uneducated drug addict to boot (pun). And a citizen of the US no doubt lol.
Thanks for the laugh this morning! And yes when I see BS and outright rumour and falsehoods I will call it out. I understand there will always be one or two that seem to think they know more about our business and company than we do. And who are not willing to accept the facts and truth.
As already stated I am not going to go into the actual reasons why former management had to go but there were many. If Chris had not taken over, then Gawith's would not be selling anything as track and trace requirements would never have even got off the ground and we would have been closed down on various regulatory issues.
If we had not taken over Samuel Gawith it would no longer exist.
Actually the old style gold tins became unavailable in around 2017/2018 and was something the old management did not deal with and we then had to find a solution for. And we have. The new tins offer a good seal, the tobacco within those tins is kept at good quality to reach the end consumer. So we have not been "looking" for decent tins as we worked with the manufacturer to design the current tins. Indeed other companies now use these same tins from the same manufacturer.
No, not a lie. Gawith Hoggarth & Co used to attend InterTabac and have a small corner of Poschl's stand to hold meetings on. There was never a dedicated stand in the main halls. I believe Bob Gregory attended with a table out in one of the corridors one year.
Last edited:
@gawithhoggarth: Have you ever thought of using those 'ring pull' tins that sort of resemble the old 'cutter tops' that many distributors use? I would think that would finally silence the moaners who like to stick stuff on shelves and look at it as opposed to smoking it. For a few pennies more a tin you would have a very stable platform for both art work, health warnings and the ability to put some advertising under the plastic top which is used after opening to keep the tobacco fresh. When we owned John Cottons and War Horse we actually investigated having real 'cutter top' tins made as a limited edition but no one had the technology or tooling to do it. The biggest issue was the lid with the cutter followed by the use of lead to seal the tin which would have had the Eurocrats spinning like a top! 
You're welcome! Glad to be of service.
Well, I think you are not willing to accept the facts and truth, but ok, I'll let you believe.
Perhaps you were too headstrong to accept good advice from former Samuel Gawith management with many, many years of experience in the business?
Ahh, the tins. Old management did try to deal with it. For years at the Inter Tabac (more about that later) Bob was telling about his quest for new tins. And then you acquired Samuel Gawith. So, the new tins offer a good seal? The tobacco within those tins is kept at good quality to reach the end consumer?
Basically you are saying all these customers are wrong? That the tins are fine and keep the tobacco in good quality?
So.... You intentionally send thousands of bad tins to customers while you already knew a good tight seal could not always be maintained because they were not as strong? And the (relatively) new trend of cellaring tobacco? I have been smoking pipe since 2010 and back then cellaring tobaccos was already well established. You make it sound like an excuse; "There is a new trend of cellaring tobacco and our new tins are not meant for that".
You are saying to one of your biggest sales markets (the USA) to go f**k themselves with their cellaring habits? And if they don't like the product, then don't buy it? You don't want the tobacco being wasted on people that do not appreciate it? I think people (like me) appreciate your tobaccos immensely, it's the tins that cause problems. And your tone of voice. What's wrong with a "The last couple of years we of the Gawith & Hoggarth management have seen and received many complaints about our tins. Due to circumstances our old supplier stopped supplying and we had to find an alternative, which we did. Sadly it turned out these new tins couldn't withstand the vacuum sealing process. So a good tight seal could not be maintained. We are truly sorry for this and deeply apologize. We strive for making the best tobaccos possible and getting it to you, our loyal customers, in the best way possible. Currently we are in the process of designing a new tin which will do justice to the legacy of our fine offerings and keep everything well-sealed. So please bear with us. If you encounter a bad tin, please contact your tobacconist to get it replaced. Or you can vacuum seal it or store it in a container. If you have any questions feel free to contact us, we appreciate your business"?Nono, Bob Gregory never was in a corridor, always in a main hall. Not even near the Pöschl stand. Beside him the great pipemaker Ian Walker of Northern Briars always had his business. And he attended the Inter Tabac for many years as you can read in my blogs: Inter-Tabac 2013 impression | Dutch Pipe Smoker - https://dutchpipesmoker.com/2013/09/23/inter-tabac-2013-impression/, Inter-Tabac 2014 impression | Dutch Pipe Smoker - https://dutchpipesmoker.com/2014/09/22/inter-tabac-2014-impression/, Inter-Tabac 2015 impression | Dutch Pipe Smoker - https://dutchpipesmoker.com/2015/09/26/inter-tabac-2015-impression/, Inter-Tabac 2016 impression | Dutch Pipe Smoker - https://dutchpipesmoker.com/2016/09/26/inter-tabac-2016-impression/, Inter-Tabac 2017 impression | Dutch Pipe Smoker - https://dutchpipesmoker.com/2017/10/10/inter-tabac-2017-impression/, Inter-Tabac 2018 impression | Dutch Pipe Smoker - https://dutchpipesmoker.com/2018/10/04/inter-tabac-2018-impression/
Attachments
I am not wasting my time addressing the tin issue again. It has been addressed and explained a hundred times. I stand by everything that I have said.
I addressed this point:
""Samuel Gawith no longer attends the fair [Inter-Tabak] since Bob Gregory left. I read on PipesMagazine the following: “Chris (Gawith) has recently taken over the company with the passing of his father and is now in the process of applying his expertise in engineering (he’s an engineer by trade) to the company with process improvement and oversight.” Well, I know Bob left for a reason, mainly because he was fuming that the company wants to do things wholly different than the last 200 years and he could not stand behind it. So I hope Chris understands that the quality of the Gawith product still has to be spot on because otherwise I think he is going to lose a lot of customers and murders a centuries old company.. "
Not true. Gawith Hoggarth used to be a guest of Poschls. Samuel Gawith's as a separate company no longer existed after 2015. Bob left in around 2018 I think. After that representatives of Gawith Hoggarth's went but with no stand of their own. Then there was covid. Then in 2022 we had our own stand and in 2023 a bigger stand. I am sure Bob did tell others his own version of events as to why he left. But I know the real reasons why former management had to go.
I addressed this point:
""Samuel Gawith no longer attends the fair [Inter-Tabak] since Bob Gregory left. I read on PipesMagazine the following: “Chris (Gawith) has recently taken over the company with the passing of his father and is now in the process of applying his expertise in engineering (he’s an engineer by trade) to the company with process improvement and oversight.” Well, I know Bob left for a reason, mainly because he was fuming that the company wants to do things wholly different than the last 200 years and he could not stand behind it. So I hope Chris understands that the quality of the Gawith product still has to be spot on because otherwise I think he is going to lose a lot of customers and murders a centuries old company.. "
Not true. Gawith Hoggarth used to be a guest of Poschls. Samuel Gawith's as a separate company no longer existed after 2015. Bob left in around 2018 I think. After that representatives of Gawith Hoggarth's went but with no stand of their own. Then there was covid. Then in 2022 we had our own stand and in 2023 a bigger stand. I am sure Bob did tell others his own version of events as to why he left. But I know the real reasons why former management had to go.
@gawithhoggarth: Have you ever thought of using those 'ring pull' tins that sort of resemble the old 'cutter tops' that many distributors use? I would think that would finally silence the moaners who like to stick stuff on shelves and look at it as opposed to smoking it. For a few pennies more a tin you would have a very stable platform for both art work, health warnings and the ability to put some advertising under the plastic top which is used after opening to keep the tobacco fresh. When we owned John Cottons and War Horse we actually investigated having real 'cutter top' tins made as a limited edition but no one had the technology or tooling to do it. The biggest issue was the lid with the cutter followed by the use of lead to seal the tin which would have had the Eurocrats spinning like a top!
Yes we've looked at many options. But it would not be only a few pennies more per tin when you are looking at whole new packing lines, massive investment in new machinery, having to ensure packaging complies with track and trace and all sorts. Plus Square tins are part of our brand and we would prefer to keep it that way.
We are content that the current tins seal well. There may not be a 'woosh' when you open them and you may not need a tool to do so, but they are still well sealed and keep the tobacco fresh. Indeed most say that the tobacco remains too moist anyway and still has to be dried out a little.
Its not an issue that ever comes up in the UK or in many countries we ship to. We also sell much tobacco as bulk and indeed much of the tobacco going to the States now goes as bulk. Similar to other places.
While the website doesn't definitively state in bold letters that they produce Samuel Gawith, it is on the page which shows the brands Kopp handles. It is possible that they are just the Distributor I guess.
Two ways to read all of this...
or...
It's the reader's pick.
or...
It's the reader's pick.
@gawithhoggarth: Have you ever thought of using those 'ring pull' tins that sort of resemble the old 'cutter tops' that many distributors use? I would think that would finally silence the moaners who like to stick stuff on shelves and look at it as opposed to smoking it. For a few pennies more a tin you would have a very stable platform for both art work, health warnings and the ability to put some advertising under the plastic top which is used after opening to keep the tobacco fresh. When we owned John Cottons and War Horse we actually investigated having real 'cutter top' tins made as a limited edition but no one had the technology or tooling to do it. The biggest issue was the lid with the cutter followed by the use of lead to seal the tin which would have had the Eurocrats spinning like a top!
Yes we've looked at many options. But it would not be only a few pennies more per tin when you are looking at whole new packing lines, massive investment in new machinery, having to ensure packaging complies with track and trace and all sorts. Plus Square tins are part of our brand and we would prefer to keep it that way.
We are content that the current tins seal well. There may not be a 'woosh' when you open them and you may not need a tool to do so, but they are still well sealed and keep the tobacco fresh. Indeed most say that the tobacco remains too moist anyway and still has to be dried out a little.
Its not an issue that ever comes up in the UK or in many countries we ship to. We also sell much tobacco as bulk and indeed much of the tobacco going to the States now goes as bulk. Similar to other places.
Before GH&co blisters up Pappy. The man is Santa Clause for Jiminy's sake. The nicest guy. I've met him at LaPoche and the Pipe Shows. You'd be hard pressed to find a nicer guy.
"It is possible that they are just the Distributor I guess."
Not just possible, is exactly this and there are signed legal documents to this effect.
And no, I am not posting copies here
You'll just have to take my word for it.
Kopp are distributors for Germany, just like Laudisi are for the USA.
Not entirely sure why people would think any different or cause such a big fuss about what is a relatively simple business arrangement, We have the same with numerous countries around the world.
Thanks for the clarification."It is possible that they are just the Distributor I guess."
Not just possible, is exactly this and there are signed legal documents to this effect.
And no, I am not posting copies here
You'll just have to take my word for it.
Kopp are distributors for Germany, just like Laudisi are for the USA.
Not entirely sure why people would think any different or cause such a big fuss about what is a relatively simple business arrangement, We have the same with numerous countries around the world.
The old Kohlhase & Kopp blended tobacco for a lot of different brands, at least according to tobacco reviews so it was easy to make the assumption that they did the blending for the brands listed on their website.
@gawithhoggarth: I point you to a post I made about a month ago. Running a pipe tobacco business in my humble experience is the nearest thing to the seventh level of hell without actually hanging out with the devil himself! As an after thought the tobaccos you produce have always been a bit on the moist side and that is something that has not changed in the 40 odd years I have been smoking your stuff and it does help improve the flavor if you jar it for a few weeks before smoking.
You mean no longer existed after 21 November 2017: SAMUEL GAWITH & COMPANY LIMITED overview - Find and update company information - GOV.UK - https://find-and-update.company-information.service.gov.uk/company/00319474
And I have to say, properly aged Full Virginia Flake is divine.
But let's call it a truce. You have your point of view, I have my point of view. That being said I have to stress I'm a huge fan of your tobaccos. I wouldn't be as passionate about the subject if I didn't like your products. Maybe I will visit the Inter Tabac again next year, shake hands and hopefully hear from you that all issues have been solved and GH is going strong.
I have no idea the date that the trustees of Samuel Gawith actually submitted the final accounts and filed to close the company. But we took over Samuel Gawith in spring 2015. And that is when the brands became ours and machinery and staff moved to our factory. Any final bits of bureaucracy after that were just a paper exercise at Companies house, which can take while.
You are welcome to visit our stand next year at InterTabac. We do not yet have a confirmed Hall or stand number.
You are welcome to visit our stand next year at InterTabac. We do not yet have a confirmed Hall or stand number.
- Status