To Panic Buy, or Not to Panic Buy...

[adui]

What bugs me is the rise of weed, the people who use it and how loud weed shop windows are. After all, it is inhaled, can't be any better than cigarettes for the lungs and is a psychotropic drug that after years of use makes people dumb.

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Oh and my tobacco seeds just sprouted

In my humble and somewhat paranoid opinion that is PRECISELY why the government is making its use legal.. Dumb people are easier to convince to vote for the same crook that has been screwing them over for years.

 

[kg.legat0]

Had to snatch up a couple pounds..I recently realized that I should pretty much do most of my bulk tobacco buying during the few times a year you know there will be 15-20% off sale. After this round and the P&C Sutliff sale back in the summer/fall I have built up a nice surplus.

Have to laugh at the anti-pot BS ...I've smoked pot with Jeopardy winners, college professors, successful business owners, etc. It's a matter of personal choice, much like smoking a pipe. I am not going to claim it cures cancer or that weed culture isn't dumb but the plant itself is quite useful and gentle. I would be hesitant to argue for more government control over something that is less toxic than concentrated orange juice...unless you like that sort of thing...

 

[mso489]

No panic, but I just keep buying a few tins, baggies, or tubs more than I smoke, and it is sneaking up on me. Let's say, at the rate I smoke, there's no impending shortage.

 

[karam]

Have to laugh at the anti-pot BS ...I've smoked pot with Jeopardy winners, college professors, successful business owners, etc. It's a matter of personal choice, much like smoking a pipe. I am not going to claim it cures cancer or that weed culture isn't dumb but the plant itself is quite useful and gentle. I would be hesitant to argue for more government control over something that is less toxic than concentrated orange juice...unless you like that sort of thing...

I don't like that sort of thing, but I am making the point that smoking weed can do just as much damage to the user and their surrounding (if you believe in second-hand smoke) as it's usually not smoked straight but it also alters perception/reaction times etc while smoking pipes, cigars or even cigarettes doesn't, yet tobacco smokers are treated like plague-bearers while weed shops are hip.

 

[kg.legat0]

I don't like that sort of thing, but I am making the point that smoking weed can do just as much damage to the user and their surrounding (if you believe in second-hand smoke) as it's usually not smoked straight but it also alters perception/reaction times etc while smoking pipes, cigars or even cigarettes doesn't, yet tobacco smokers are treated like plague-bearers while weed shops are hip.

I can definitely agree with that, I think inhaling smoke of any kind is a bad idea. ...I also agree that it's /ridiculous/ that pipe and cigar smokers are treated like plague-bearers, as you say. The trend of weed shops and legal weed I also find annoying ...it's a natural substance that people repackage with such cliche marketing and then charge exorbitant prices, no thanks.

I am going to be rrrreal mad when tobacco prices eventually climb above the other stuff...hopefully not for a long time.

 

[gervais]

In my humble and somewhat paranoid opinion that is PRECISELY why the government is making its use legal.. Dumb people are easier to convince to vote for the same crook that has been screwing them over for years.

I agree with this 100%. Stoned, passive sheep are exactly what the powers that be want.

 

[chopper]

What bugs me is the rise of weed, the people who use it and how loud weed shop windows are. After all, it is inhaled, can't be any better than cigarettes for the lungs and is a psychotropic drug that after years of use makes people dumb.

Apologies for going off topic but I can't let this comment slide; I've been self-medicating with cannabis daily for 75% of my life since I was 15yo.
A flatmate who was a chronic asthmatic got better relief from a joint than from his array of pHarmaceutical puffers.
For the last 20 years I've been medicating with cannabis for chronic nerve pain.
As it turns out the anti-inflammatory effects of cannabis has stopped the progression of my Buergers Disease. According to my Drs "100% of Buergers patients will suffer multiple amputations & death within 2-3 years after diagnosis" I've known 12 other Buergers patients over the last 20 years & they all died within 3 years.
Without cannabis I would have died an excruciating death many years ago.

Cannabis oil elixir was once the most widely prescribed medication until Big Industry bribed politicians to have it made illegal, which started the outrageously ignorant Marijuana Madness hysteria.
I've known seven patients from my pain clinic who all committed suicide because they could no longer bear chronic nerve pain. A senseless waste of life & suffering that could have been relieved with a PLANT that has not killed a single soul in the history of humanity.

We have an endocannabinoid system that accepts cannabinoids hand in glove. Mothers breast milk contains cannabinoids [The cause of 'milk high' in babies]

So please, leave your prejudices at the door. You know not of what you speak.

 

[gervais]

Apologies for going off topic but I can't let this comment slide; I've been self-medicating with cannabis daily for 75% of my life since I was 15yo.
A flatmate who was a chronic asthmatic got better relief from a joint than from his array of pHarmaceutical puffers.
For the last 20 years I've been medicating with cannabis for chronic nerve pain.
As it turns out the anti-inflammatory effects of cannabis has stopped the progression of my Buergers Disease. According to my Drs "100% of Buergers patients will suffer multiple amputations & death within 2-3 years after diagnosis" I've known 12 other Buergers patients over the last 20 years & they all died within 3 years.
Without cannabis I would have died an excruciating death many years ago.

Cannabis oil elixir was once the most widely prescribed medication until Big Industry bribed politicians to have it made illegal, which started the outrageously ignorant Marijuana Madness hysteria.
I've known seven patients from my pain clinic who all committed suicide because they could no longer bear chronic nerve pain. A senseless waste of life & suffering that could have been relieved with a PLANT that has not killed a single soul in the history of humanity.

We have an endocannabinoid system that accepts cannabinoids hand in glove. Mothers breast milk contains cannabinoids [The cause of 'milk high' in babies]

So please, leave your prejudices at the door. You know not of what you speak.

I think that cannabis is very individual dependant, most notably the psychoactive effects. I can't, and many other people I know can't be high without freaking out. Some peoples brain chemistry don't mix well with thc

 

[hoosierpipeguy]

I'm more of the opinion that is shouldn't be any damn business of the government whether I smoke tobacco or marijuana. Being stupid affects reaction time as well but if stupid were illegal, the government would have to execute at least 80% of the population.

 

[gervais]

I think that cannabis is very individual dependant, most notably the psychoactive effects. I can't, and many other people I know can't be high without freaking out. Some peoples brain chemistry don't mix well with thc

Might I add that I prefer to be able to have 100% mental control of a situation, whatever might arise at any given time. Alot of stoners that I know would let an apple hit them square in the forehead, were I a prick enough to throw one at them.

 

[chopper]

I think that cannabis is very individual dependant, most notably the psychoactive effects. I can't, and many other people I know can't be high without freaking out. Some peoples brain chemistry don't mix well with thc

This is true. Without going in-depth there's mainly two types of cannabis; Sativa & Indica [And hybrids of the two]
Sativa strains give a 'head high' that can freak some people out. Indica strains are more of a relaxing body high.
In my youth I loved the Sativa's.
Now that I'm much older I choose Indica strains because they work best for my nerve pain & it helps me to sleep soundly. [Just 2-3 pipes at night is an effective dose for my conditions]

The cannabinoid CBD counteracts the psychoactive effects of THC.
Sativas are typically very low in CBD, Indicas have higher levels [although still low at around 1% or lower]
Growers developed medicinal strains with kids in mind. Charlottes Web was one that has roughly equal amounts of CBD to THC. [Around 4% of each which is very low THC] These 'CBD strains' do NOT get a patient high but rather, has a very relaxing effect.

 

[chopper]

Might I add that I prefer to be able to have 100% mental control of a situation, whatever might arise at any given time. Alot of stoners that I know would let an apple hit them square in the forehead, were I a prick enough to throw one at them.

There are two types of pot smokers; those who abuse cannabis & those who use cannabis. There's a big difference between the two.
The former are the types who abuse cannabis as an excuse to be lazy. Were it not for cannabis these people would be abusing some other substance such as alcohol or hard drugs.

Looking at it from a societal point of view, I'd much prefer for those with addictive personalities who use substances to hide from reality to be high on weed rather than alcohol, or worse, meth or heroin.
At least they're hiding in their mothers basements playing XBox rather than driving drunk, running amok or breaking into houses to steal stuff for their next fix.

 

[kg.legat0]

Might I add that I prefer to be able to have 100% mental control of a situation, whatever might arise at any given time. Alot of stoners that I know would let an apple hit them square in the forehead, were I a prick enough to throw one at them.

I know a lot of people who are fairly braindead without the aid of chemicals, or, anesthetize themselves with a variety of socially acceptable pharmaceutical substances...let alone the modern cell phone zombie. I also know a lot of people who use moderate amounts of cannabis to ease anxiety and calm their overactive minds down.

I don't think that cannabis should be mandatory for anyone, however, anecdotal musings that you know a lot of dumb people who also smoke weed isn't a very compelling statement to the character of the substance itself.

 

[gervais]

There are two types of pot smokers; those who abuse cannabis & those who use cannabis. There's a big difference between the two.
The former are the types who abuse cannabis as an excuse to be lazy. Were it not for cannabis these people would be abusing some other substance such as alcohol or hard drugs.

Looking at it from a societal point of view, I'd much prefer for those with addictive personalities who use substances to hide from reality to be high on weed rather than alcohol, or worse, meth or heroin.
At least they're hiding in their mothers basements playing XBox rather than driving drunk, running amok or breaking into houses to steal stuff for their next fix.

I see your point. I don't want to come across as a judgemental asshole here, because I don't think that I am. I was mainly trying to say that some people are not compatible with the drug. To each their own, and if it improves their quality of life, then that's great

 

[gervais]

I know a lot of people who are fairly braindead without the aid of chemicals, or, anesthetize themselves with a variety of socially acceptable pharmaceutical substances...let alone the modern cell phone zombie. I also know a lot of people who use moderate amounts of cannabis to ease anxiety and calm their overactive minds down.

I don't think that cannabis should be mandatory for anyone, however, anecdotal musings that you know a lot of dumb people who also smoke weed isn't a very compelling statement to the character of the substance itself.

Very true, you're right.

 

[python]

And this is a tobacco forum, not a marijuana forum. So back on the topic of tobacco please.

 

[kg.legat0]

Very true, you're right.

I also don't want to come off as too much of a cheerleader either...I think the culture around the plant can be very annoying and people absolutely /do/ abuse the ever loving bejeebus out of it. I don't think it's judgemental in the least to say that it's not for you. I guess I was just coming from a 'correlation does not equal causation angle' --cheers!! ...oh...and...uh...TOBACCO..there, back on track...

 

[karam]

So please, leave your prejudices at the door. You know not of what you speak.

You misunderstood me, I didn't mean offense.
I know people who've gone the "medicinal" route simply to get high, I also know people who, after having smoked acres of weed over the last 20 years have gone notably slow. I wasn't passing judgment on medicinal use, I was rather passing judgment to the sleepy looking people who join the heard in demonising tobacco while puffing weed day and night, and the herd who find this acceptable but a pipe or cigar not.

 

[chopper]

You misunderstood me, I didn't mean offense.
I know people who've gone the "medicinal" route simply to get high, I also know people who, after having smoked acres of weed over the last 20 years have gone notably slow. I wasn't passing judgment on medicinal use, I was rather passing judgment to the sleepy looking people who join the heard in demonising tobacco while puffing weed day and night, and the herd who find this acceptable but a pipe or cigar not.

We're good mate. It's just that there's so much misinformation on the subject [Perpetuated by those who are starting to lose profit big time - I'm looking at you Big pHarma]

It's really no different to the anti-smoking propaganda.
Rather than concentrating on the damaging health effects of chemically laden cigarettes, which have a staggering 300-600 added chemicals, they treat all tobacco as the same thing.

A U.S. Surgeon Generals report found that pipe smokers who inhale, have the same life expectancy as a non-smoker. Apart from a little harmless PG or glycerine as humectants, pipe tobacco [& cigars] has no added chemicals.

The actor/comedian George Burns was asked in an interview what his doctor thought of him smoking several large cigars a day. Burns said something to the effect 'I wouldn't know. He's dead'. lol.
George lived to over 100yo & smoked cigars for most of his adult life.

I'm a firm believer in getting the facts straight. Tobacco is not as dangerous as the shrieking anti-smoking brigade would have us believe. It's the chemicals that are added to cigarettes that causes disease in smokers.
As for the green stuff, I'm living proof that it's a brilliant medicine that's extremely safe.

 

[Lumbridge]

I mean

What bugs me is the rise of weed, the people who use it and how loud weed shop windows are. After all, it is inhaled, can't be any better than cigarettes for the lungs and is a psychotropic drug that after years of use makes people dumb.

As for the topic, I buy about 200g every month and smoke about 50g, I believe that amount of buying is s reasonable with my smoking habits, finances, and challenges in buying tobacco from abroad. I'm currently set up for more than a year with what I have in my drawer.

Oh and my tobacco seeds just sprouted

I mean, if people want to smoke weed, let them do it legally. Meanwhile, stop trying to outlaw OUR smoke of choice. As Willam Wallace says at the end of Braveheart, "Freeeddooommmm!"

I remember my dad once saying that if alcoholic beverages and tobacco were discovered today, and hadn't been a cultural norm for centuries, then they would probably be outlawed just like anything else.

And really, tobacco use has mainly gone out as a norm and become a social pariah because of garbage tobacco products like dip and mass-market cigarettes. Even a Marlboro has little resemblance to the hand-rolled cigarette or yore, made with good tobacco rather than the floor sweepings that go into them now.

Remember, Big Brother knows what's best for you better than you do.