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MisterBadger

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This is the infamous, almost legendary Vietnamese weed, supposedly a Rusticana variety packing three times the nicotine punch of US and African tobaccos, and of which not very much information that's useful to a pipe smoker is available on the internet. It's sold in the UK by a very small number of speciality East Asian grocery stores, in 100-gram ziplock packs, attractively priced at about one-third of any regular pipe tobacco.

An initial disappointment on seeing the bag when delivered, is that it is a fine cut shag, like a hand rolling cigarette tobacco. The leaf is a more or less uniform dark brown, the colour of dark, plain chocolate. The bag note that greets the nose on opening is grassy but like old barn hay that's about to moulder.

Bearing in mind the warnings from many sources about just how strong this weed is, I selected a small-bowled Meerschaum for a test smoke. It was too easy to pack it too tightly, the fine cut compacting easily in the bowl - and I did use more pressure than I normally would, fearing that, because of its fine cut, it would burn hot. I needn't have worried about that: even to char, it needed several lights, which not even the soggiest Gawith and Hoggarth blends straight out of the tin require.

The first few puffs - never more than about three, in between relights - offered first a taste of mouldy hay, quickly developing into a discord of acrid notes like a chicken leg that's been burned on the barbecue.

Despite several interventions with the Czech pipe multitool, at no time did the bowl stay lit long enough for me to establish a regular smoking cadence, but even so, there was no detectable tongue bite. That was almost unfortunate, because my taste buds continued able to savour that burned chicken-skin taste without any desensitisation.

The nicotine hit was there all right. I've never crumbled a cigarette butt and an old cigar stub into a pipe to smoke, but when I did manage to taste the tobacco it suggested strongly that the experience would be very similar. It reminded me of a really nasty, cheap Virginia. This weed has clearly neither been cased nor topped with anything at all, and If ever a tobacco deserved to be flavoured with Tonquin bean or Deer Tongue - this would be it.

Two thirds of the way down the bowl, the burnt chicken-skin miasma was joined by a hint of cabbage and the fleeting notion that the old, cheap cigar stub had been mixed with a little rose petal pot-pourri - but the chicken that had been forgotten and left on the grill too long, predominated.

I can confidently say that, of all the tobaccos I have ever smoked, this was the most unsatisfying yet nicotine-high smoke I've ever had, but with Gawith's 1792 Flake coming a close second. If there were no other tobaccos left in the world, and with a choice of only these two, the 1792 would be the tobacco of choice every time.

Why, one might ask, is this unattractive, rough beast sold in the UK at all? Well, I can only imagine that there are some long-term Vietnamese expatriates who long for a taste of The Old Country, much as a Sri Lankan expat treats himself to the occasional bottle of coconut toddy, a vile concoction that looks like old washing-up water, smells like a blocked drain and kicks like a Mocow Mule.

To be fair, Thuoc Lao isn't designed to hold a light or be smoked in a pipe, of course: Vietnamese folk smoke it in a bamboo bong, filling their lungs from a single fill of a tiny bowl, in one mighty blast, burned up in a single light, and take delight in the sight of foreign tourists taking a big, long toke then falling over. But if I were going to assault my lungs withthe smoke, I'd want to cut it first with dried peppermint leaves.

I'm writing this about an hour after the smoke and I'm still stoned from the nicotine, but not in a good way: with no pleasant taste or continuity, the nicotine hit was not at all relaxing. The taste is still with me, even after drinking a pint of Rooibos tea to try and wash it away.

And the room note? Imagine an old heap of grass cuttings which has overheated and started to smoulder.

So... I still have about 98 grams of the stuff left: what am I to do with it? Would it benefit at all from an infusion of rum? I may try. Will I perhaps keep it to enliven some blends I like that are deliciously mellow and complex in taste, but are too weak on the nicotine for my liking? I may try this, too, taking care that there's not enough in the mix for the charred chicken to come through. But I shall also be happy to dispense it in 5-gram sample bags to anyone in UK who cares to PM me their mailing address and wants to be able to say they've tried it.

As Jim Inks, master of euphemism, might say: "Has a few rough edges. Not an all day smoke.".

Perhaps not even a pipe smoke at all.
 
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anotherbob

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So... I still have about 98 grams of the stuff left: what am I to do with it? Would it benefit at all from an infusion of rum? I may try. Will I perhaps keep it to enliven some blends I like that are deliciously mellow and complex in taste, but are too weak on the nicotine for my liking? I may try this, too, taking care that there's not enough in the mix for the charred chicken to come through. But I shall also be happy to dispense it in 5-gram sample bags to anyone in UK who cares to PM me their mailing address and wants to be able to say they've tried it.

As Jim Inks, master of euphemism, might say: "Has a few rough edges. Not an all day smoke.".

Perhaps not even a pipe smoke at all.
snuff make it into snuff. no need to alkalize it either.
 
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MisterBadger

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But was there stewed dark fruit and did anything get sublimated?
No stewed dark fruit, no creamy caramel toffee, no chestnuts roasting on an open fire of seasoned maplewood, no all-butter croissant still warm from the patisserie, no goatsmilk yoghurt sweetened with heather and thyme honey from the southern slopes of Mount Hymettos, no saline kiss of a mermaid, her lips sharp-sweet and unctuous from drinking a glass of Slivovic... no sublimation save that of a neglected barbecue or a crematorium. Not even a hint of Mr. Samuel Gawith's old shoes. No. Just burnt chicken with a soupcon of cabbage, a smidgin of rose pot-pourri, overheated lawn mowings and a fair amount of old cigar butt. Sorry.
 
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SmokeyJock

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Your description of the Vietnamese smoking it in a bamboo bong reminds me of one of the more disgusting habits of my late teenage years. While in the rest of the country the youth seemed to be smoking the actual lettuce component of the devil's lettuce, here in Dundee what we had was a very cheap and nasty type of hash. We'd empty a few cigarettes onto a plate, put the tobacco under the grill until it started to produce vapour (smelling, oddly enough, like baking biscuits) then pop some of the hash on the plate until it was soft enough to crumble between your fingers. We'd mix the hash through the tobacco much like a pipe smoker might roll a flake between one's fingers, load it in a bong, then smoke it until it pulled through the draught-hole. I've never had a head-rush like it before or since. Utterly vile
 

MisterBadger

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Oct 6, 2024
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I've read about this stuff, it always sounded very intimidating. Traditionally it's smoked in what looks like a bamboo bong, I'd imagine it's even more intense that way.
There are vids on YouTube showing what it can do to the unaccustomed foreigner trying it out the traditional way.
 

jpberg

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Aug 30, 2011
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This is the infamous, almost legendary Vietnamese weed, supposedly a Rusticana variety packing three times the nicotine punch of US and African tobaccos, and of which not very much information that's useful to a pipe smoker is available on the internet. It's sold in the UK by a very small number of speciality East Asian grocery stores, in 100-gram ziplock packs, attractively priced at about one-third of any regular pipe tobacco.

An initial disappointment on seeing the bag when delivered, is that it is a fine cut shag, like a hand rolling cigarette tobacco. The leaf is a more or less uniform dark brown, the colour of dark, plain chocolate. The bag note that greets the nose on opening is grassy but like old barn hay that's about to moulder.

Bearing in mind the warnings from many sources about just how strong this weed is, I selected a small-bowled Meerschaum for a test smoke. It was too easy to pack it too tightly, the fine cut compacting easily in the bowl - and I did use more pressure than I normally would, fearing that, because of its fine cut, it would burn hot. I needn't have worried about that: even to char, it needed several lights, which not even the soggiest Gawith and Hoggarth blends straight out of the tin require.

The first few puffs - never more than about three, in between relights - offered first a taste of mouldy hay, quickly developing into a discord of acrid notes like a chicken leg that's been burned on the barbecue.

Despite several interventions with the Czech pipe multitool, at no time did the bowl stay lit long enough for me to establish a regular smoking cadence, but even so, there was no detectable tongue bite. That was almost unfortunate, because my taste buds continued able to savour that burned chicken-skin taste without any desensitisation.

The nicotine hit was there all right. I've never crumbled a cigarette butt and an old cigar stub into a pipe to smoke, but when I did manage to taste the tobacco it suggested strongly that the experience would be very similar. It reminded me of a really nasty, cheap Virginia. This weed has clearly neither been cased nor topped with anything at all, and If ever a tobacco deserved to be flavoured with Tonquin bean or Deer Tongue - this would be it.

Two thirds of the way down the bowl, the burnt chicken-skin miasma was joined by a hint of cabbage and the fleeting notion that the old, cheap cigar stub had been mixed with a little rose petal pot-pourri - but the chicken that had been forgotten and left on the grill too long, predominated.

I can confidently say that, of all the tobaccos I have ever smoked, this was the most unsatisfying yet nicotine-high smoke I've ever had, but with Gawith's 1792 Flake coming a close second. If there were no other tobaccos left in the world, and with a choice of only these two, the 1792 would be the tobacco of choice every time.

Why, one might ask, is this unattractive, rough beast sold in the UK at all? Well, I can only imagine that there are some long-term Vietnamese expatriates who long for a taste of The Old Country, much as a Sri Lankan expat treats himself to the occasional bottle of coconut toddy, a vile concoction that looks like old washing-up water, smells like a blocked drain and kicks like a Mocow Mule.

To be fair, Thuoc Lao isn't designed to hold a light or be smoked in a pipe, of course: Vietnamese folk smoke it in a bamboo bong, filling their lungs from a single fill of a tiny bowl, in one mighty blast, burned up in a single light, and take delight in the sight of foreign tourists taking a big, long toke then falling over. But if I were going to assault my lungs withthe smoke, I'd want to cut it first with dried peppermint leaves.

I'm writing this about an hour after the smoke and I'm still stoned from the nicotine, but not in a good way: with no pleasant taste or continuity, the nicotine hit was not at all relaxing. The taste is still with me, even after drinking a pint of Rooibos tea to try and wash it away.

And the room note? Imagine an old heap of grass cuttings which has overheated and started to smoulder.

So... I still have about 98 grams of the stuff left: what am I to do with it? Would it benefit at all from an infusion of rum? I may try. Will I perhaps keep it to enliven some blends I like that are deliciously mellow and complex in taste, but are too weak on the nicotine for my liking? I may try this, too, taking care that there's not enough in the mix for the charred chicken to come through. But I shall also be happy to dispense it in 5-gram sample bags to anyone in UK who cares to PM me their mailing address and wants to be able to say they've tried it.

As Jim Inks, master of euphemism, might say: "Has a few rough edges. Not an all day smoke.".

Perhaps not even a pipe smoke at all.
You are officially a gamer.
Next up, get yourself some mapacho.
It tastes better than what you’ve just consumed, which is a blessing and a curse - you’ll smoke more of it, but your organs will rebel.
 

BingBong

Lifer
Apr 26, 2024
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Your description of the Vietnamese smoking it in a bamboo bong reminds me of one of the more disgusting habits of my late teenage years. While in the rest of the country the youth seemed to be smoking the actual lettuce component of the devil's lettuce, here in Dundee what we had was a very cheap and nasty type of hash. We'd empty a few cigarettes onto a plate, put the tobacco under the grill until it started to produce vapour (smelling, oddly enough, like baking biscuits) then pop some of the hash on the plate until it was soft enough to crumble between your fingers. We'd mix the hash through the tobacco much like a pipe smoker might roll a flake between one's fingers, load it in a bong, then smoke it until it pulled through the draught-hole. I've never had a head-rush like it before or since. Utterly vile
Good to hear that things had hardly changed in the years since I left Tayside! Stone chillums and wet cloths in my day, same outcome. Let me blame the late Breeks (may he RIP), even though he was mostly innocent.
 

SmokeyJock

Starting to Get Obsessed
Oct 4, 2024
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Not yet. Have you?
When I was 17 a mate got some online, came in a wee jar with one of those tiny metal pipes for it that look like a spoon. Could barely stay upright afterwards, but oddly absolutely no nausea. Beyond that I remember little about it. I understand it translates as "head-rush" and it earns its name that's for sure. I don't remember it tasting particularly bad
 

MisterBadger

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Oct 6, 2024
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Ludlow, UK
When I was 17 a mate got some online, came in a wee jar with one of those tiny metal pipes for it that look like a spoon. Could barely stay upright afterwards, but oddly absolutely no nausea. Beyond that I remember little about it. I understand it translates as "head-rush" and it earns its name that's for sure. I don't remember it tasting particularly bad
That's encouraging. I might even be making a New Year resolution to try it out... and, of course, review it here.
 
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