The Most Overrated Tobaccos

[toobfreak]

I don't think anyone is overreacting here. It is the context of the post. I've noticed quite a few very recent posts where people with maybe only 20, or 4 or even 2 posts to the group set out to tell people what is wrong with them or even what they should smoke! One guy on his very first post wasn't: Hello!, it was why Petersons are crap or something.
When you think about it, what is the premise of an over-rated blend? That 5000 people have posted a thumbs up for it but YOU don't like it? The very idea suggests that everyone else is wrong but you.
Now the idea of an UNDER-rated tobacco is a whole different matter. Many have come up and most agree these were all tobaccos that were very good but simply had not gotten much attention. Recent candidates have been everything from Rattrays Exotic Orange to Black Frigate.
I find it interesting that the three blends the OP chose to highlight happen to be blends that have gotten a pretty strong following in general. Lots of people for and against any of them. To claim that any tobacco is highly over-rated is to say that all the people who like it are all tobacco fools.
There is a big difference between saying you don't like something yourself and saying that it is mule piss!

 

[ashdigger]

Mule Piss?? With no doubt the FDA in all its wisdom will not only deem that blend but they'll say its grandfathered in.

 

[yaddy306]

As Peck stated in one of the other "over-rated tobaccos" threads I linked above, 95% of what's posted in forums is opinion, and subjective.
That being said, I hardly see how you have to have a certain number of posts on this forum before you're allowed to have an opinion.
If someone has been smoking pipes long enough to have an informed opinion on Peterson pipes, for example, then I don't see why they wouldn't be allowed to state their opinion in the first post on this forum. Have at 'er!
The difference with the recently closed thread was that the OP joined the forum and immediately offered an opinion or passed judgement on the forum itself. If someone just joins, they can't have a balanced objective opinion of the forum's "personality" yet. But if someone feels a pipe/tobacco is overrated, they should be able to offer their opinion, even if they are brand spankin' new here.
Just my opinion!

 

[toobfreak]

If someone has been smoking pipes long enough to have an informed opinion on Peterson pipes, for example, then I don't see why they wouldn't be allowed to state their opinion in the first post on this forum. Have at 'er!
The difference with the recently closed thread was that the OP joined the forum and immediately offered an opinion or passed judgement on the forum itself. If someone just joins, they can't have a balanced objective opinion of the forum's "personality". But if someone feels a pipe/tobacco is overrated, they should be able to offer their opinion, even if they are brand spankin' new here.

Yaddy, I wouldn't disagree in theory, but I think some people's point here is that if they just joined the forum and people haven't had much chance yet to even get to know them, then how do they know how experienced you are, or whether these are genuine well-intended opinions vs. some sort of mind-game or something they are playing?
I think most recent threads that have failed did so mainly because the OP was just so new to the group, folks don't yet know how to take them. It isn't a matter of being sensitive or defensive, just a matter of the barrier we all face socializing through the web.

 

[mayfair70]

Edit: Agreed Yaddy306 and Toobfreak. The objective truth is all opinions are subjective. I don't care how new a person is if they have constructive input.

Anyone who calls FVF and Escudo overrated can go ride a cat.

8O Don't make me get a restraining order. :rofl:

 

[yaddy306]

if they just joined the forum and people haven't had much chance yet to even get to know them, then how do they know how experienced you are, or whether these are genuine well-intended opinions vs. some sort of mind-game or something they are playing?

I suppose the same could be said of someone who has only been here three months? :wink:

 

[mayfair70]

BURN !! :rofl:

 

[hawky454]

catjockey how long have you been smoking a pipe? Judging by the topic of this thread and the tobaccos you listed as being overrated you appear to be a novice. Nothing wrong with that of course but I wouldn't go judging things so quickly and write them off as being overrated. Your tastes will change and a developed palate takes time. You could very well come to love these tobaccos you listed over time.

 

[jackswilling]

"I suppose the same could be said of someone who has only been here three months? :wink:"
D'oh!!! says the Homer
"That being said, I hardly see how you have to have a certain number of posts on this forum before you're allowed to have an opinion."
+ 1,000

 

[wyfbane]

I did use the caveat that I was cranky. It just seemed to me, that if the OP's stated intent was to guide those of us with limited resources away from 3 blends that in his/her opinion are overrated, when in fact those blends aren't crazily priced AND are enjoyed by the majority of the people who claim to like the types of tobaccos that these blends represent (VaPer, etc), then what are his/her bona fides? Is he/she a professional in the industry?
If we get a noob in here who actually is influenced by the original post, then they may miss out on Escudo. And why? Because this person doesn't like them?
In relation to the other linked threads, they were asked questions, usually by established members. They were conversation starters, not indictments.

 

[iamn8]

Jack, your opinion is currently invalid. Please, feel free to resubmit your opinion concerning opinions once you have enough free time to increase your post count. We appreciate your participation

 

[toobfreak]

I suppose the same could be said of someone who has only been here three months?

It is a matter of degrees not time or even posts, I think. Do you feel you know a given member well enough to accept their opinion? Is it constructive? That too is a matter of personal judgement.
And what about the member so new to the group? I mean practically brand spanking new. Do they feel comfortable breaching a given topic to the others, not as contributor but as originator?
It is all a matter of individual degrees that you cannot put up one yardstick against to measure every person, they have to be taken individually, case by case. Me, if I were to ask the question, I would have asked others first what THEY thought were overrated, offering my own opinions later on. This way they know that I value their opinion more than my own.
I don't think many can come on to this board without a desire to learn rather than teach. The most knowledgeable people here are in the 99.999% percentile of tobacco knowledge. It goes without saying that most anyone new here should acknowledge that.
Personally, the few tobacco fails I might list are already generally pretty unpopular with most, but looking at this thread it appears that about as many were OK with the topic as were the number of people who felt it just a bit presumptuous, so don't expect a consensus of opinion.
Me? Want an over-rated tobacco? OK, here is one: 1-Q. :mrgreen:

 

[sablebrush52]

Me? Want an over-rated tobacco? OK, here is one: 1-Q. :mrgreen:

Which you can find repackaged under about 20 other labels.
Therein lies the danger of making absolute pronouncements. Many blends get panned when packaged under one label only to be praised when packaged under a more favorably regarded label.
There is so much subjectivity to the pipe smoking experience that absolutes are rarer than hens teeth.
I'm not fond of 1-Q as I find that it has a distinctly chemical aftertaste. But a whole lot of others love it.

 

[jackswilling]

"Jack, your opinion is currently invalid."
Does this count ???

 

[mso489]

Has this thread taken a philosophical turn, or is it just the spring weather?

 

[cally454]

This is why we can't have nice things

 

[instymp]

"You have to roast the turd at 220 F for three hours to bring out the honey and fresh cut grain flavors. If you cook it too long, it starts to taste like Golden Sliced."
Golden Sliced is my favorite!

But thanks for the recipe for making dog sh$# taste like Royal Yacht! Can you change baking times to improve upon it?
Ps..RY isn't really THAT bad.

OP Keep on posting!

 

[troutface]

catjockey=starcat ???
Just sayin'

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Was thinking the same from the start, Trout. Ha ha

 

[perdurabo]

This Is For Sable!!!! :rofl:
Are You Fucking Kidding me? Royal Yacht a boring smoke? It totally chaps my ass that's some asshole would post such nonsense in an OP. Royal Yacht is by no chance a faux Vaper. In fact Dunhill should be sued for closing shop and stopping production. Jesus Christ! What was this guy thinking? Frankly, I'm offended. :mrgreen: