The modern man

[fordm60]

Double post.

 

[aggravatedfarmer]

I dislike hipsters for their political beliefs, never met one than was a capitalist. I out right refuse to go into Kent during when semesters are held. You guys probably have seen a few. But there are hoards here. It doesn't help that many of my conversations turn political.

 

[skraps]

I have the right to alienate whom so ever I wish. A pipe in the jaw does not make a person safe from a jibe or two.

Poke, jibe, alienate whomever you wish. I'm not saying that people don't have that right. Especially you, Warren... I quite look forward to when you do it.
I'm in the same boat with Ford on this though. There often seems to be an unnecessary venom toward the "hipster". I use the quotes because I think many people here label them that way simply because of the clothes they wear, or the glasses they have on. I have read comments that SP.com now seems to be overrun with hipsters. Interesting how just an observation of someone's external appearance can get them lumped into a camp that they might not belong in.
Eh... what the hell am I complaining about. I'm a new guy, no one listens to new guys, and I'm certainly not going to change how anyone else judges another. Just my 2 cents.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Hey aggravatedfarmer, i had no idea that hipsters all have a similar belief in something. We don't have this hipster phenomena here in my area of Alabama. So, I apologize. I take it that they're all liberals or something? I just thought they were snazzy dressers. In my 50's, I never thought that I would be as out of touch as all that. I just don't keep up with all of these subculture politic things. I just saw young guys with hats buying and making expensive pipes, and they seemed to know their stuff when it came to the hobby. I kept telling Lora, "Look hipsters! I've heard of this," while snapping pictures of them. It was like seeing guys in cowboy hats in Arizona, or hippies in San Francisco. Ha ha, we don't get out much.

 

[fitzy]

I think many people here label them that way simply because of the clothes they wear, or the glasses they have on

Really? One of several defining characteristics of a hipster besides their political and socio-economic beliefs is their fashion choices.
Just google hipster definition "a person who follows the latest trends and fashions, especially those regarded as being outside the cultural mainstream."
I personally don't give a shit how people want to look or what they want to wear nor do I want to alienate anyone as the more pipe smokers there are the btter but 1. I personally don't believe in their political view points and 2. I don't think "because it looks cool" is a good reason to pretend to smoke a pipe. we call those posers.
Oh and am I the only one that thing Hipsters are the Beatniks brought back to life? Does this mean we will have another wave of hippies in about 10 years?

 

[fitzy]

 

[fordm60]

Lot of love in this thread. Perhaps some of us would rather cut our own throat, than accept allies. I said accept, not agree with. Always interesting to watch humans!!

 

[deathmetal]

Same message always from media/State:

"We want good, obedient, stupid and compliant little sheep to do our bidding and validate it with your votes and dollars."

 

[fordm60]

+1 deathmetal

 

[deathmetal]

Interesting how just an observation of someone's external appearance can get them lumped into a camp that they might not belong in.

Hipster is, in my view, a state of mind: people who are using external objects and behaviors to substitute for a lack of direction. Because of that, they ruin anything they take on by making it insincere and thus prone to low quality.
The definitive article:

Ever since the Allies bombed the Axis into submission, Western civilization has had a succession of counter-culture movements that have energetically challenged the status quo. Each successive decade of the post-war era has seen it smash social standards, riot and fight to revolutionize every aspect of music, art, government and civil society.
But after punk was plasticized and hip hop lost its impetus for social change, all of the formerly dominant streams of “counter-culture” have merged together. Now, one mutating, trans-Atlantic melting pot of styles, tastes and behavior has come to define the generally indefinable idea of the “Hipster.”
An artificial appropriation of different styles from different eras, the hipster represents the end of Western civilization – a culture lost in the superficiality of its past and unable to create any new meaning. Not only is it unsustainable, it is suicidal. While previous youth movements have challenged the dysfunction and decadence of their elders, today we have the “hipster” – a youth subculture that mirrors the doomed shallowness of mainstream society.
https://www.adbusters.org/magazine/79/hipster.html

Although I've written fairly extensively about hipsters in metal, I think it is often more sensible to talk about hipsters generally rather than telling someone they are a hipster. If they see how gross hipsters are, they may grow out of it.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

...like those strange heavy metal guys? Ha ha, just ribbing you.

I meet people of every politic, religion, belief, socio-economic, sexual orientation, and race at my favorite B&M hangout, even Auburn fans. I don't think that pipes makes anyone more likely to be conservative or liberal. It really brings together lots of different people. Thinking that we should all be the same for some strange reason baffles me. Heck, I would think that diversifying the hobby reaches out to different areas of society that may be ignorant or potential antis. If a passionate pipe-loving hipster has a group of liberal friends, they may get to see an aspect of tobacco that they may never have known has existed. Maybe, reaching out to different groups will keep the antis off of our doorsteps.

I don't know. I'm just a small town hick.

 

[fordm60]

End of Western Civilization seems a bit much. Granted I do not know any hipsters or really know much about them. But the fall of Rome, Ghengis Khan, Crusades, the Black Plague, Vikings, Spanish Inquisition, WWI, WWII, Atomic Bombs, the Cold war, just to name a few big deals off hand. Yet Western Civilization survived, hipsters do not even come close to what I listed. I did not know about the deep seated hatred of hipsters until this thread. I read some threads that mentioned them and did not sound friendly, but I missed the hatred completely.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Not having any in my area of the world, I can only imagine. Maybe they go door to door hassling people about their music choices or religion or gun control or something. The ones that I met in NOLA just seemed like normal people, but then again, maybe I just met the fake hipsters, IDK. How did this come up? Is that stupid Modern Man list a hipster thing? I thought that people had said that the previous list that was posted earlier in the month was done by hipsters. Hipsters listing pocketknives, shaving with straight razors, rolling their sleeves up like "real men" and such... I'm confused.
And, who is to say that hipsters just use pipes as an affectation? The guys I met could name every leaf in a blend and made and collected some of the most beautiful pipes I've seen. And, out front, they were smoking them like they knew how. Are there some people who pose as hipsters and then real hipsters? Which is which?

 

[captainprophesy]

How to spot a hipster neighborhood... or simply how to a spot a hipster
In all seriousness... I could care less whether someone is a hipster or not... I just care whether your an asshole or a douchebag!

 

[cosmicfolklore]

I just care whether your an asshole or a douchebag!

I wonder which one I am. :wink: ::

 

[aggravatedfarmer]

If I may give my viewpoint based upon my close proximity to Kent State University, AKA, ground zero. They are the youth counterculture, however they may never leave the ideals that I disagree with. I do not base my bias upon their wardrobe, though they do look silly and are fairly easy to point out in a crowd. I also dislike the urban baggy clothes of the R&B culture. Call me a young codger. However the mindset of these hipsters is bringing upon a nanny state of mind. They need to be catered to through tax payers dollars. Health care, college tuition, etcetera. They demand federal and state involvement to accommodate every little sect of society. Now I know what you're thinking "Kelley, you are a bigoted ass". I'm not a bigoted, but perhaps an ass. I live with a certain mindset of this. Treat every human as a human, not as what they wish to project their appearance, gender, sexuality, race, religion, etcetera. I do not need to know the specifics of your personal life, nor do I care. It only becomes in my focus when OUR government steps in and makes it an agenda, just to have a voting base. Now to call these hipsters liberals, is a smack in the face to a true liberal. A true liberal does not want government to cater to their needs. Hippys are liberals, Hipsters are socialist. Now here comes my disdain. I hate socialism. I find it mediocre and only allows people to live an average life, coincidentally average man becomes a slave and never can obtain a better way of life. There is no more striving to become the best person you can be. There is only, "you make more than me, therefore you are privileged so I will complain till I get my way." which brings me to another point, the "guilty privileged movement". Get over it. This is the land of opportunity, not the land of "fair". You make what you put in.
As for them pipe smoking, I've only seen one guy my age (29) smoking a pipe, and he was not a hipster. Just a regular guy.

 

[aldecaker]

@ Captainprophesy- Ha! Sounds like our usual voting options!

 

[deathmetal]

End of Western Civilization seems a bit much.

I think we're watching it crater right now.
Whether it will be reborn, as happened after both Rome and Athens, is yet to be seen.
Looks like democracy is a common factor of death in all three...

 

[aldecaker]

There was a lot of democracy in Rome?

 

[captainprophesy]

Call me a young codger

isn't a young codger an oxymoron? see now your treading into hipster waters. :rofl: