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jorgesoler

Can't Leave
Dec 3, 2014
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Please do note I haven't quit smoking despite the higher taxes: I am just buying tobacco somewhere else. This is income the UK tax and revenues office is loosing to Spain.

 

weezell

Lifer
Oct 12, 2011
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nasal snuff is exempt from the tobacco taxes in the UK
For Now, they will come after it to if it becomes a viable source of income...( OH , and do it for the children)

 

mso489

Lifer
Feb 21, 2013
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Three scenarios, out of about one thousand that could be projected:
1. Taxing could become irresistible with the health rationale and the fun of pipe smoking,

the variety of blends and affordable tobacco prices could disappear, consigning pipes to

curios collections.
2. While cigarette smoking morphs into electronic devices, pipe smoking could hang on as

a small demographic of special interest folks, supporting tobacco farmers and blenders,

and pipe carvers, at a modest but ongoing scale.
3. Legal pipe tobacco could be taxed off the market, and a black market could arise so that

selling it would be similar to selling pot most places today, giving rise to large geriatric

cell blocks in some facilities. Three years for possession of Carter Hall. Gramps.

 

jorgesoler

Can't Leave
Dec 3, 2014
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Trying to eradicate smoking with social policy or engineering is the same as trying to eradicate drugs by means of making them illegal: it does not work.

 

jorgesoler

Can't Leave
Dec 3, 2014
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I have no interest in debating my opinion, which you solicited. Can't be changed! It's etched in stone and it's mine alone.
I don't mean any disrespect to you mate, but this is what I call "fanaticism." An open minded individual should always be able to change his opinion when new data is available that contradicts his personal beliefs. Science would not be possible otherwise.

 

Perique

Lifer
Sep 20, 2011
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At the end of the day, all discussion of the policies of western democracies (particularly as it regards taxation and specifically "sin taxes", ie social engineering)) is moot. We have crossed the Event Horizon after which western universal suffrage democracies can only collapse under their own bloat and waste. The only relevant questions are when?, and how? But certainly I digress into topics that are uncomfortable. So I will haunt this thread no further. Cheers to my pipesmoking brethren. May you wrap yourself in whatever ideology feels most comfortable. After all, it's all fiddling amidst the embers.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
11,699
16,206
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
One last post: Laffer addresses taxes and government income. Your question was about the future of pipe smoking with respect to taxes. It's really very easy, no or minimal tobacco sales means little or no tax revenue. But, taxes are not causing the drop in tobacco usage, health concerns and the attached propaganda are reducing the tobacco market.
Taxes on tobacco products have very little impact on tobacco usage. This is akin to gasoline taxes, at least in America, taxes are no where near the level needed to reduce gasoline usage. Liquor taxes the same. These three products, tobacco, fuel and booze will have taxes raised many percent over current levels before the taxes become meaningful with regard to reducing demand. This will be done in relatively painless increments. With gasoline it will not be done until a reasonable alternative is available as over pricing gasoline will cause severe problems economically. Booze and cigarettes? Not critical.
I hope this answers your original request for input.
Every time I respond to such a post I feel . . . so . . . so, violated (sob!). It's sooooo demeaning, as I know I'm being sucked in and yet, still respond. Self-flagellation I suppose.

 

buroak

Lifer
Jul 29, 2014
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Spain may already have caught on - by maintaining a somewhat lower tax rate on tobacco they gain greater sales to foreigners, thus increasing their revenues. Spain could certainly use the money.

 

buroak

Lifer
Jul 29, 2014
1,867
14
I would also add that I am not quite so gloomy about the future of pipe smoking. The hobby/religion is experiencing something of a renaissance in the US. For example, admittedly at the risk of inferring too much from a single case, KC area B&Ms are doing more to appeal to the pipe smoker, not less. Additionally, all the tobacco hoarding discussed on this forum suggests at least steady demand for pipe tobacco. That demand will be met at least part way (or even exceeded) by supply.

 

literaryworkshop

Starting to Get Obsessed
Feb 10, 2014
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Mobile, AL
Well, if this thread is any indication, it seems like pipe smoking is becoming pretty fashionable with the elite in other parts of the world, particularly Russia and Asia. Maybe pipe smoking will continue to drift east.

 

buroak

Lifer
Jul 29, 2014
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https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=e4q6eaLn2mY
Warren, which one is you? The hoods make identification very difficult.

 

sajgre

Starting to Get Obsessed
Aug 13, 2010
139
1
Taxes can have a big impact on smoking, take Australia for example, those prices are killing pipe community. That being sad, the biggest problem for future pipe smoking could be insurance companies. No cellar helps you if you can't afford insurance.

 

newbroom

Lifer
Jul 11, 2014
6,087
6,394
Florida
No offense to you insurance sales people, but I think insurance is or has become nothing less than a scam.

We are funneled to these insurers by financial institutions to protect our homes, cars and health. I'm not an economist but I just don't see the insurance business as anything more or less than a ponzi scheme.

 

jorgesoler

Can't Leave
Dec 3, 2014
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Spain may already have caught on - by maintaining a somewhat lower tax rate on tobacco they gain greater sales to foreigners, thus increasing their revenues. Spain could certainly use the money.
Well, this is the whole point I was trying to make. Thanks.

 
May 3, 2010
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This is a very difficult subject. You have politicians "doing the right thing" and taxing tobacco "to save the kiddies" and you have people fighting for their adult right to do what they choose.
In all honesty it's merely a fight on cigarettes and the pipe and cigar worlds have somehow gotten swallowed up in it. Honestly, I find it laughable to lump pipes in with cigarettes and a "save the children" campaign. I mean let's be serious here, what 12yr old kid these days would take the time to pack a pipe, char light it, tamp it, and true light it, then tend the bowl for 45 minutes, and afterwards let it cool and clean it?
As far as the tax thing goes that's another slippery slope. Politicians don't care if it makes them money, only if it reduces the number of smokers. You also have people who enjoy their tobacco so much they'll go elsewhere to buy it and continue to be a smoker which means the country is losing money to the economy and they still have a smoker on hand, so the policy has accomplished absolutely nothing.
My personal hope is that legislatures wise up and exempt pipe and cigars from this tobacco war as studies haven't proven that they cause lung cancer like cigarettes do and the Surgeon General's Report even stated that non-inhaling pipe smokers outlive non-smokers on average by two years.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
11,699
16,206
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
Someone needs to take a basic economics class. Perhaps Econ 101 at the local community college or a near by university. Insurance companies do not make money by offering insurance. The profit is made through investing. Putting moneys into local businesses, global businesses, real estate, etc. is where to money for dividends and payouts comes from. Insurance companies make profits by growing money. If an insurance relied on customers only, they would never realize a profit. No one would invest in them! It's not near as simple as you so naively believe.

 
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