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sablebrush52

The Bard Of Barlings
Jun 15, 2013
20,707
48,989
Southern Oregon
jrs457.wixsite.com
Yep, people chose price over ALL else. My buddy at the factory would laugh when I told him my jeans were $45 a pair, made in USA using the old heavy/durable denim that was standard years ago. He said he could buy three pairs at Walmart for $45. I asked how long they last (we worked in a soap factory with slurry and caustics that would degrade anything they touched.) he said about a year. Well, eight years in, I still had my original jeans, none the worse for wear, while he’s gone through 24 pairs! ? Call me crazy, but I think my durable more expensive jeans actually turned out CHEAPER in the long run. Eight times cheaper?
There's price, and there's value, and the two are not the same. This is a surprise to a lot of people, and something that seems difficult for them to comprehend.
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
44,916
117,174
Yep, people chose price over ALL else. My buddy at the factory would laugh when I told him my jeans were $45 a pair, made in USA using the old heavy/durable denim that was standard years ago. He said he could buy three pairs at Walmart for $45. I asked how long they last (we worked in a soap factory with slurry and caustics that would degrade anything they touched.) he said about a year. Well, eight years in, I still had my original jeans, none the worse for wear, while he’s gone through 24 pairs! ? Call me crazy, but I think my durable more expensive jeans actually turned out CHEAPER in the long run. Eight times cheaper?
The Wrangler Jeans i wear, only company that makes them to fit me, are Walmart bought at $17/pair. Haven't purchased any since 2018 with little sign of wear and they are regularly exposed to a working environment of gasoline, toluene, and methyl ethyl ketone.
 

Aomalley27

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 8, 2021
763
1,701
Chicagoland area
The Wrangler Jeans i wear, only company that makes them to fit me, are Walmart bought at $17/pair. Haven't purchased any since 2018 with little sign of wear and they are regularly exposed to a working environment of gasoline, toluene, and methyl ethyl ketone.
We worked with TCC (Triclocarbon... a derivation of Triclosan). That stuff would melt tyvek suits? Combine that with the raw talc, and you’ve basically got the equivalent of sandpaper scouring your clothes. Glad I always wore a respirator when working around that stuff, as a dozen of my former coworkers have cancer now.
 

Chasing Embers

Captain of the Black Frigate
Nov 12, 2014
44,916
117,174
We worked with TCC (Triclocarbon... a derivation of Triclosan). That stuff would melt tyvek suits? Combine that with the raw talc, and you’ve basically got the equivalent of sandpaper scouring your clothes. Glad I always wore a respirator when working around that stuff, as a dozen of my former coworkers have cancer now.
No kidding, I lost all of my teeth to an industrial chemical explosion several years ago. Now lo and behold that company has chemsuits.
 

jewman22

Lifer
Apr 2, 2021
1,110
10,956
Ontario Canada
I'd be more than happy to support local shops, as soon as they are willing to at least come close to competing price wise with SP.
I dont expect them to keep that kind of selection, but after exchange and shipping, a tin of GL Pease (just using as a reference) is just shy of 20$CDN to my door, less if on sale. Local shops are between 50 and 60$, if they have it. I cant justify spending triple to support a B&M. They aren't even trying to compete.
 
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carolinasmokes

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I support all local businesses, be it B&M, smoke shops or tobacco wholesalers like JR Cigars in Burlington, if they have what I need when I need it, they made a sale and we're both happy. I only go online when I need to stock up on pipe filters and pipe cleaners, usually two or three times a year. Fortunately, my local smoke shops keep me well supplied with a good selection of cobs and tobacco. Life is good!
 
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telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
There's price, and there's value, and the two are not the same. This is a surprise to a lot of people, and something that seems difficult for them to comprehend.
This… is simplistic on so many. My shoes can last decades - pricey, but very well made, they only simple upkeep.
 
Jan 30, 2020
2,211
7,331
New Jersey
I'd be more than happy to support local shops, as soon as they are willing to at least come close to competing price wise with SP.
I dont expect them to keep that kind of selection, but after exchange and shipping, a tin of GL Pease (just using as a reference) is just shy of 20$CDN to my door, less if on sale. Local shops are between 50 and 60$, if they have it. I cant justify spending triple to support a B&M. They aren't even trying to compete.
While I don't know the intricacies in your particular situation, most of the time it's not the B&M just jacking prices for the sake of profits. It's the taxes you have to pay, that you are not paying for that online order shipment, being enforced on the local purchase. You mention exchange and shipping, but not a duty/excise tax. Did you not pay that on the mail order?
 

Fiddlepiper

Part of the Furniture Now
Apr 22, 2020
716
5,448
Scotland
www.danielthorpemusic.com
This… is simplistic on so many. My shoes can last decades - pricey, but very well made, they only simple upkeep.
Not sure this has anything to do with the discussion but it popped into my head after reading your comment.


The reason that the rich were so rich, Vimes reasoned, was because they managed to spend less money.

Take boots, for example. He earned thirty-eight dollars a month plus allowances. A really good pair of leather boots cost fifty dollars. But an affordable pair of boots, which were sort of OK for a season or two and then leaked like hell when the cardboard gave out, cost about ten dollars. Those were the kind of boots Vimes always bought, and wore until the soles were so thin that he could tell where he was in Ankh-Morpork on a foggy night by the feel of the cobbles.

But the thing was that good boots lasted for years and years. A man who could afford fifty dollars had a pair of boots that'd still be keeping his feet dry in ten years' time, while the poor man who could only afford cheap boots would have spent a hundred dollars on boots in the same time and would still have wet feet.

This was the Captain Samuel Vimes 'Boots' theory of socioeconomic unfairness.” From one of Terry Pratchett’s Discworld books.
 

telescopes

Pipe Dreamer and Star Gazer
Shoes should rest between wearing. Do you have show trees?
I just realized that what I typed and what was written were two different things. My phone really works against me.

To answer your question, no, I don't use trees. However, all of my boots are in shoe bags that keep them dust free and help to control the dryness where I live. I have snake skin boots that are well over 30 years old and going strong with a nice patina to boot, so to say. I keep them conditioned and that helps.

I have shoes that I bought at Sears and other places and they last for maybe a season before they ugly out.

The same with clothes . I have jackets that have weathered high speed motorcycle crashes. They look like I bought them yesterday with neary a scratch.

Cheap is cheap. My 1963 Dunhill looks like it just came off the line while some of the cheap pipes I have ugly out rather quickly. Buy less, focus on quality and you will be ahead.
 

OtcBastid

Lurker
May 19, 2021
18
26
I want to support the B&M as much as I can but its expensive.
I just realized that what I typed and what was written were two different things. My phone really works against me.

To answer your question, no, I don't use trees. However, all of my boots are in shoe bags that keep them dust free and help to control the dryness where I live. I have snake skin boots that are well over 30 years old and going strong with a nice patina to boot, so to say. I keep them conditioned and that helps.

I have shoes that I bought at Sears and other places and they last for maybe a season before they ugly out.

The same with clothes . I have jackets that have weathered high speed motorcycle crashes. They look like I bought them yesterday with neary a scratch.

Cheap is cheap. My 1963 Dunhill looks like it just came off the line while some of the cheap pipes I have ugly out rather quickly. Buy less, focus on quality and you will be ahead.
I'm with you on the shoes...but pipe tobacco is a disposable item :) It pays to be cheap and buy quantity when it's on sale.
 
Jan 27, 2020
3,997
8,122
I just realized that what I typed and what was written were two different things. My phone really works against me.

To answer your question, no, I don't use trees. However, all of my boots are in shoe bags that keep them dust free and help to control the dryness where I live. I have snake skin boots that are well over 30 years old and going strong with a nice patina to boot, so to say. I keep them conditioned and that helps.

I have shoes that I bought at Sears and other places and they last for maybe a season before they ugly out.

The same with clothes . I have jackets that have weathered high speed motorcycle crashes. They look like I bought them yesterday with neary a scratch.

Cheap is cheap. My 1963 Dunhill looks like it just came off the line while some of the cheap pipes I have ugly out rather quickly. Buy less, focus on quality and you will be ahead.

I agree with you. I have socks too which are over 5 years old. They are nice socks.