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brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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But I'd sure hate to go to an Illinois state prison for a weapons violation.
Plus the state would likely steal confiscate the 40 grand anyway (or he'd have to spend it on lawyers)...so I guess he came out ahead as it is...at least he's not behind bars.

 

weezell

Lifer
Oct 12, 2011
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Arkansas toothpick... :evil:
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aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
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You know they invented it in Arkansas, because if it was invented anywhere else, they would have called it a teethpick.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,269
18,200
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
The few originals I've seen were all dagger shaped. I suppose the name has morphed into whatever a manufacturer wants to call it. I've seen original "Bowie" knives, developed by the same guy who made the original "Arkansas" toothpick, and now days any big, hunting/camping knife might be labeled a "Bowie". Black made the "toothpick" for slashing and stabbing, not gutting. Both names are now, I suppose, just generic descriptors.
aldecaker: There are a class of retired people who can and do CCW across state lines with impunity per Federal law. They can also carry on public transportation such as air lines. The aircraft captain may permit such or take the weapon at boarding and return it at the deplaning at his/her discretion.

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
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@Warren- There sure is, and I'm glad they're out there. I was speaking, specifically, of the average private citizen CCW holder, who is not afforded those privileges. The irony is that I have heard, but don't know for a fact, that the IL CCW is widely accepted in less draconian, paranoid states, while IL itself honors no such reciprocity!

 

aldecaker

Lifer
Feb 13, 2015
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That's one for someone who is a far better 10th Amendment scholar than I. And as far as deterrence, I'm no longer sure that any such thing exists. I'm pretty well convinced that people who are of a criminal bent are going to be criminals, and those of a law-abiding bent are generally going to do their best to follow the law. In other words, there's no deterring it, only fighting it.

 

dochudson

Lifer
May 11, 2012
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The transaction at the bank was certainly not in public view. Picking up $40k would require multiple counts and paperwork. My guess would be a low level banks employed alerted lowlife friends.
I don't get putting all my eggs into a single backpack.. They wanted the backpack wonder if he would still have his cash if it had been in his pockets.

 

kola

Lifer
Apr 1, 2014
1,548
2,401
Colorado Rockies, Cripple Creek region
The most I ever took out in cash at a bank was $17k. They gave me a hard time and kept suggesting I take a cashiers check instead. I had to speak to a manager and they counted out the $17k right at the teller counter. They then asked if I needed an escort out by their security man. I said no thanks, I'm good.
If I had to do it over again, I'd sign in, take a seat and do the transanction in a private room.
OTOH I think pretty soon we'll be in a cashless society anyway. Almost everyone takes payment by some form of plastic card nowadays. Why risk carrying large amounts of cash ?

 

pepesdad1

Lifer
Feb 28, 2013
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dochudson said "My guess would be a low level banks employed alerted lowlife friends."
^^^^^

Dollars to donuts this would be my best guess.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,269
18,200
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
All my experience, based only on what's been written here, leads me to believe it was a simple street crime of opportunity, random, and the robbers got extremely lucky. This same experience tells me that I may be wrong in my analyses and keep the open mind. Employee involvement? Possible but, I doubt it. It just doesn't have the "ring" of organization.
"My guess would be a low level banks employed alerted lowlife friends." I might buy into that scenario if there was a pattern of such occurrences at that particular branch over a period of months/years. Unlikely. A low level employee isn't going to have his cohorts standing around day after day for a single "big" score.

 

warren

Lifer
Sep 13, 2013
12,269
18,200
Foothills of the Chugach Range, AK
All my experience, based only on what's been written here, leads me to believe it was a simple street crime of opportunity, random, and the robbers got extremely lucky. This same experience tells me that I may be wrong in my analyses and keep the open mind. Employee involvement? Possible but, I doubt it. It just doesn't have the "ring" of organization.
"My guess would be a low level banks employed alerted lowlife friends." I might buy into that scenario if there was a pattern of such occurrences at that particular branch over a period of months/years. Unlikely. A low level employee isn't going to have his cohorts standing around day after day for a single "big" score.
But, I am just "spit balling" like everyone else here.

 

brian64

Lifer
Jan 31, 2011
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A low level employee isn't going to have his cohorts standing around day after day for a single "big" score.
According to the info in this thread, the $40K withdrawal had been arranged with the bank a week in advance...so IF the inside job theory is correct, there would have been no need to stand around day after day...they would have known in advance the day he would be there.

 

cohibajoe

Part of the Furniture Now
Mar 2, 2018
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Branchburg, NJ
The transaction at the bank was certainly not in public view. Picking up 40k would require multiple counts and paperwork. My guess would be a low level banks employed alerted lowlife friends.

I don't get putting all my eggs into a single backpack.. They wanted the backpack wonder if he would still have his cash if it had been in his pockets.

5yrs ago I was paying my Pool Installer in cash. I requested from TD Bank 20k x4..The bank manager had to order this from the Main Branch...took 5 days. 3 forms had to be filled out...IRS, Bank and another for Bank not reasonable when I leave there doors. Walking around with 40k...Unless you are packing.

 
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