STG Mac Baren/Sutliff Purchase - A Few Words from STG's Leonard Wortzel

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leonardw

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I know it's a longshot but can you illuminate the situation with Pipes & Cigars? From what we've heard they are one of the few assets of this deal that won't be scrapped and Tobaccopipes and CupOJoes will be folded into them. I'm wondering if their house brands will still be supported. I know I said I wouldn't ask about individual blends but they're responsible for a large portfolio of multiple brands (Hearth & Home, etc.) Or if STG won't produce would they allow the brands/recipes to be 3rd partied... Will this information at least be in this upcoming list if you are not able to detail today?
Fair questions. For now let me hold off on going through blend by blend. The reality is that while 99% of the decisions have been made, the full list is not final. Even if we've recommended keeping X,Y,Z, we still need to analyze FDA status in some cases (for instance).
 

NookersTheCat

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Somebody posted an email from SmokingPipes yesterday, saying "Bengal Slices, War Horse, and the entirety of the Hearth & Home lineup have been discontinued."

Maybe @leonardw can confirm or deny.
Yeah as far as I can see that was a *bit* hysterical. Have they been discontinued from SP's site? Yes. but most are still in stock (for more $ ofc) on P&C right now. Now will they continue to be or not? That was my question. Apparently Leonard says we just have to wait for the list for now...
 

NookersTheCat

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Well, so far some of my unasked questions have been answered, and I'm grateful for that.
Here here. I'll be the first to scream bloody murder from the rooftops over this but I have no desire to flame Leonard for giving us what colour on the subject he can. As I'm sure (big financial corporations being what they are) he's taking at least some risk/walking on eggshells to do so.
 

leonardw

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I'm not trying to be a jerk here but I'm sure I'll come across that way. I just feel like this post answered all the questions no one was asking.
Not jerky at all. Started the thread so people can ask the questions they want to ask. I'll probably just frustrate more people by still not being able to provide 100% of the answers. All a pipe smoker can do is try.
 

Mike N

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Hello All:

Pardon the length of this post, but I figured I’d jump in to provide some clarity / serve as a human punching bag regarding STG’s purchase of Mac Baren/Sutliff.

It’s been a while since I’ve posted here, so a quick introduction. I’m Leonard Wortzel. I’ve been a pipe smoker for 30 years, and I’ve worked for STG since shortly after the Lane acquisition in 2011. I’ve held multiple roles in the company, including Vice President of Marketing & Product Development at Lane (that’s a pompous way of saying I oversaw the Lane pipe tobacco portfolio for about a decade). This link will give you an idea of the sort of things I was up to during that time.

Lately, among other duties, I have been responsible for analyzing the current STG/Mac Baren/Sutliff global pipe tobacco portfolio and determining what that portfolio should look like in the future. Essentially, I was tasked with providing the recommendation for what products we should continue to make, and what products we should discontinue. I did not make decisions in a vacuum, but if you’re looking to pin the blame on the person most responsible for product decisions being made… I’m your best bet. [Small note for clarity: I drove the decisions on what we should make, not where it should be made.]

So let me answer what I can. There are some things I can’t discuss for various business reasons, but I’ll do my best. What I’m not here to do: Change anyone’s opinion. I do not expect anyone to feel any different than they currently do. You’ll just have a few more facts, and a little less conjecture.

I’ll start by attempting to pre-answer some questions.

Why Did You Wait Until Now to Respond?

Whether it’s about individual products or factories, it takes time to analyze the data, make recommendations, and come to a consensus. More importantly, the results of those decisions won’t simply impact our favorite products, they will impact people. People’s livelihoods are at stake. Good, passionate people. It served no one to add fuel to a rumor mill until we had a chance to communicate directly with those who may be impacted.

Why Is the Sutliff Factory Shutting Down?

We already have a factory that can produce all the same products and that has extra capacity. Maintaining two facilities when you only need one simply makes everything more inefficient and more expensive. What did NOT lead to this decision was the people who work at the factory. They showed up every day – for decades in some instances – to make products for the pipe tobacco community. They also helped make Sutliff more and more profitable every year since Mac Baren purchased the company. For reasons beyond the employees’ control, Mac Baren decided to sell, and the realities of factory capacity utilization followed.

What Will Happen with the Sutliff and Mac Baren Products in the US and Why?

Sutliff sells 988 products. Less than 950 sell more than 1,000 lbs per year. The Sutliff facility is set up to handle small-batch products. The STG facility is not. That answer is unlikely to please anyone – that 988th product is some pipe smoker’s favorite blend – but that is the reality. Therefore most of the Sutliff products will be discontinued (for now). Those that remain will be manufactured at STG’s Denmark facility. The final list of the Sutliff & Mac Baren products that are remaining will be published within the next few weeks.

What About Lane Products?

Nothing is being discontinued from the Lane portfolio. We already delisted low volume sellers from 2018-2020. For what it’s worth, 100% of what we delisted I had personally launched or resurrected over the prior decade. Take it from me, euthanizing a good chunk of a decade’s worth passion is not fun.

Are These Product Decisions Permanent?

No. Provided that they are grandfathered from an FDA standpoint, there is nothing stopping us from resurrecting any of the Sutliff or Mac Baren blends. Just like we resurrected the majority of the Lane Bulk portfolio after the STG acquisition in 2011. The pipe community is not shy. At pipe shows, pipe clubs and pipe forums, you will tell us what products should be brought back.

Does STG Even Care About Pipe Tobacco?

Again, I have neither the desire nor the ability to change anyone’s opinion on this question. But allow me to share my opinion. After Reynold’s decided to walk away from pipe tobacco, who had the interest, the money and the capability to step in? When Swedish Match was no longer interested in brands like Borkum Riff and Half & Half, who stepped in? When Dunhill decided to walk away from pipe tobacco, who stepped in to revive the blends under the Peterson name? When the owners of Mac Baren decided it was time to walk away, who stepped in? There are many of us who would have had the interest to step in, and a few who would have had the capability. But who ultimately put their money on the line? And who is the individual responsible for managing STG’s pipe tobacco portfolio going forward? A young man name Max Stokkebye. Max cares about this little hobby of ours. As do I. And we’ll stop caring when you pry the pipes from our cold, dead hands.
" What did NOT lead to this decision was the people who work at the factory. They showed up every day – for decades in some instances – to make products for the pipe tobacco community. "

Hmm. I think that is a blinding glimpse of the obvious. The dedicated workers in Richmond, Virginia who lost their jobs just did not factor into the corporate decision-making. I hope they were paid a decent severance so they can at least enjoy Christmas while looking for work.
 

leonardw

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" What did NOT lead to this decision was the people who work at the factory. They showed up every day – for decades in some instances – to make products for the pipe tobacco community. "

Hmm. I think that is a blinding glimpse of the obvious. The dedicated workers in Richmond, Virginia who lost their jobs just did not factor into the corporate decision-making. I hope they were paid a decent severance so they can at least enjoy Christmas while looking for work.
Fair point, but I'm not sure it is as obvious from the worker's point of view. I was standing in the front of the room beside the president of Sutliff the day we announced the factory would be closing. He very eloquently made the point to all of them that this decision was not a result of any failure on their part. All they had done was care, succeed and grow. That's what I was trying to articulate, but probably didn't do a very good job.
 

geoffreybeene

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It does for the timing being come down to the question of scale, but also market availability. If STG/Sutliff/Mac Baren was the only source for things like Latakia, perique, etc., that would create serious issues. That is not the case. And again, the decisions don't need to be permanent. If there is overwhelming demand, of if we were for some reason the only source, we can make a different decision.
"Sounds like their problem because they can just go buy it somewhere else"?
 

leonardw

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I'm sure that he posted with permission from his employers because they are getting roasted.
That's actually a very fair assumption, but not correct in this case. No one across the pond knew what I was posting or even that I was posting at all. I figured I'd go with forgiveness instead of permission on this one. I'll let you know how it works out...
 

geoffreybeene

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Fair point, but I'm not sure it is as obvious from the worker's point of view. I was standing in the front of the room beside the president of Sutliff the day we announced the factory would be closing. He very eloquently made the point to all of them that this decision was not a result of any failure on their part. All they had done was care, succeed and grow. That's what I was trying to articulate, but probably didn't do a very good job.
The decisions of capitalist bean counters at the top never have anything to do with the people performing the real labor on the factory floors. Of course it wasn't a failure on their part. Are they going to be given adequate severances or other compensation for having their lives scrambled due to something that was no failure on their part?
 
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The existence of this thread is great. The reason for its existence is unfortunate. I know I appreciate the efforts since it's a tough place to sit, but I'm also a sideline observer since all of the concerned blends were not really in my wheelhouse. It's great when someone from a company stops by to shine even a little insight.

I get the decisions. It certainly would have been nice to see some type of smaller operation remain in the US since the main facility has small batch limitations, whatever that could have looked like.
 
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