STG Mac Baren/Sutliff Purchase - A Few Words from STG's Leonard Wortzel

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leonardw

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Hello All:

Pardon the length of this post, but I figured I’d jump in to provide some clarity / serve as a human punching bag regarding STG’s purchase of Mac Baren/Sutliff.

It’s been a while since I’ve posted here, so a quick introduction. I’m Leonard Wortzel. I’ve been a pipe smoker for 30 years, and I’ve worked for STG since shortly after the Lane acquisition in 2011. I’ve held multiple roles in the company, including Vice President of Marketing & Product Development at Lane (that’s a pompous way of saying I oversaw the Lane pipe tobacco portfolio for about a decade). This link will give you an idea of the sort of things I was up to during that time.

Lately, among other duties, I have been responsible for analyzing the current STG/Mac Baren/Sutliff global pipe tobacco portfolio and determining what that portfolio should look like in the future. Essentially, I was tasked with providing the recommendation for what products we should continue to make, and what products we should discontinue. I did not make decisions in a vacuum, but if you’re looking to pin the blame on the person most responsible for product decisions being made… I’m your best bet. [Small note for clarity: I drove the decisions on what we should make, not where it should be made.]

So let me answer what I can. There are some things I can’t discuss for various business reasons, but I’ll do my best. What I’m not here to do: Change anyone’s opinion. I do not expect anyone to feel any different than they currently do. You’ll just have a few more facts, and a little less conjecture.

I’ll start by attempting to pre-answer some questions.

Why Did You Wait Until Now to Respond?

Whether it’s about individual products or factories, it takes time to analyze the data, make recommendations, and come to a consensus. More importantly, the results of those decisions won’t simply impact our favorite products, they will impact people. People’s livelihoods are at stake. Good, passionate people. It served no one to add fuel to a rumor mill until we had a chance to communicate directly with those who may be impacted.

Why Is the Sutliff Factory Shutting Down?

We already have a factory that can produce all the same products and that has extra capacity. Maintaining two facilities when you only need one simply makes everything more inefficient and more expensive. What did NOT lead to this decision was the people who work at the factory. They showed up every day – for decades in some instances – to make products for the pipe tobacco community. They also helped make Sutliff more and more profitable every year since Mac Baren purchased the company. For reasons beyond the employees’ control, Mac Baren decided to sell, and the realities of factory capacity utilization followed.

What Will Happen with the Sutliff and Mac Baren Products in the US and Why?

Sutliff sells 988 products. Less than 950 sell more than 1,000 lbs per year. The Sutliff facility is set up to handle small-batch products. The STG facility is not. That answer is unlikely to please anyone – that 988th product is some pipe smoker’s favorite blend – but that is the reality. Therefore most of the Sutliff products will be discontinued (for now). Those that remain will be manufactured at STG’s Denmark facility. The final list of the Sutliff & Mac Baren products that are remaining will be published within the next few weeks.

What About Lane Products?

Nothing is being discontinued from the Lane portfolio. We already delisted low volume sellers from 2018-2020. For what it’s worth, 100% of what we delisted I had personally launched or resurrected over the prior decade. Take it from me, euthanizing a good chunk of a decade’s worth passion is not fun.

Are These Product Decisions Permanent?

No. Provided that they are grandfathered from an FDA standpoint, there is nothing stopping us from resurrecting any of the Sutliff or Mac Baren blends. Just like we resurrected the majority of the Lane Bulk portfolio after the STG acquisition in 2011. The pipe community is not shy. At pipe shows, pipe clubs and pipe forums, you will tell us what products should be brought back.

Does STG Even Care About Pipe Tobacco?

Again, I have neither the desire nor the ability to change anyone’s opinion on this question. But allow me to share my opinion. After Reynold’s decided to walk away from pipe tobacco, who had the interest, the money and the capability to step in? When Swedish Match was no longer interested in brands like Borkum Riff and Half & Half, who stepped in? When Dunhill decided to walk away from pipe tobacco, who stepped in to revive the blends under the Peterson name? When the owners of Mac Baren decided it was time to walk away, who stepped in? There are many of us who would have had the interest to step in, and a few who would have had the capability. But who ultimately put their money on the line? And who is the individual responsible for managing STG’s pipe tobacco portfolio going forward? A young man name Max Stokkebye. Max cares about this little hobby of ours. As do I. And we’ll stop caring when you pry the pipes from our cold, dead hands.
 

urbanpiper

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Oct 3, 2022
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Can you clarify this
Sutliff sells 988 products. Less than 950 sell more than 1,000 lbs per year.
Are you staying this is not significant amount? That 950 blends don't sell enough? It's an odd sentence.

Also how do you reconcile these two statements:
We already have a factory that can produce all the same products and that has extra capacity.
And
The Sutliff facility is set up to handle small-batch products. The STG facility is not.

Also having met the fellow, this isn't the reassuring comment you think it is
And who is the individual responsible for managing STG’s pipe tobacco portfolio going forward? A young man name Max Stokkebye. Max cares about this little hobby of ours.
 

NookersTheCat

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Sep 10, 2020
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does stg have any interest in continuing to support the boutique blenders that rely on sutliff tobaccos for their house blends? I imagine many, but not all, of those blending tobaccos meet the >1k pound sale criteria
This. This is the main question. I/others could clog up this thread with "Is #678 out of 1000 blends still gonna be around?"... a waste if a comprehensive list truly is coming within weeks.

But as long as STG continues to source/produce the main blending component leaf skus and distribute it wholesale, many of the boutique blenders out there can handle the rest.
 

leonardw

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Dec 30, 2011
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Can you clarify this

Are you staying this is not significant amount? That 950 blends don't sell enough? It's an odd sentence.

Also how do you reconcile these two statements:

And


Also having met the fellow, this isn't the reassuring comment you think it is
Yes, 1,000 lbs is a small amount. In a modern factory, it's difficult to get the cutters working effectively below that.
To the point of your second question, does the STG facility have the space, capacity and capability to set up a smaller blend and cutting line? Yes. Might we decide to do so in the future? Yes. Are there plans to do so right now? No.
 

leonardw

Starting to Get Obsessed
Dec 30, 2011
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does stg have any interest in continuing to support the boutique blenders that rely on sutliff tobaccos for their house blends? I imagine many, but not all, of those blending tobaccos meet the >1k pound sale criteria
It does for the timing being come down to the question of scale, but also market availability. If STG/Sutliff/Mac Baren was the only source for things like Latakia, perique, etc., that would create serious issues. That is not the case. And again, the decisions don't need to be permanent. If there is overwhelming demand, of if we were for some reason the only source, we can make a different decision.
 

urbanpiper

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Yes, 1,000 lbs is a small amount. In a modern factory, it's difficult to get the cutters working effectively below that.
To the point of your second question, does the STG facility have the space, capacity and capability to set up a smaller blend and cutting line? Yes. Might we decide to do so in the future? Yes. Are there plans to do so right now? No.
Thanks for the reply, so your statement mean that 950 of the 988 Sutliff blends sell 1000lbs or less, which is too small of a run for STG (at this time)
 
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NookersTheCat

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I know it's a longshot but can you illuminate the situation with Pipes & Cigars? From what we've heard they are one of the few assets of this deal that won't be scrapped and Tobaccopipes and CupOJoes will be folded into them. I'm wondering if their house brands will still be supported. I know I said I wouldn't ask about individual blends but they're responsible for a large portfolio of multiple brands (Hearth & Home, etc.) Or if STG won't produce would they allow the brands/recipes to be 3rd partied... Will this information at least be in this upcoming list if you are not able to detail today?
 

woodsroad

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I stockpiled LEO when you had to kill your child. That must have hurt, @leonardw.
I'll just put in a good word for Russ here, and hope that you can justify continued production of Bengal Slices. It was a project that we worked on together that has resonated with customers. Hopefully it resonates enough to keep it's place in the STG portfolio.

Thank you for venturing into the lion's den here, Leo.
 
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lazar

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I stockpiled LEO when you had to kill your child. That must have hurt, Leonard.
I'll just put in a good word for Russ here, and hope that you can justify continued production of Bengal Slices. It was a project that we worked on together that has resonated with customers. Hopefully it resonates enough to keep it's place in the STG portfolio.

Thank you for venturing into the lion's den here, Leo.
Somebody posted an email from SmokingPipes yesterday, saying "Bengal Slices, War Horse, and the entirety of the Hearth & Home lineup have been discontinued."

Maybe @leonardw can confirm or deny.
 
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