That was just a label change. STD were already making both brands in the same facility. Looks like the Mac Baren and Sutliff facilities are being closed.
STG closes Mac Baren and Sutliff
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STG will most likely continue to produce the top selling Mac Baren products, and market them under the Mac Baren name.
So, no need for me to make a YouTube video screaming, crying and slinging snot because they are going away for all time???
Oh, no! Make that video!
The tin will still say Mac Baren, but what’s inside will undoubtedly be…different.
That’s a real snappy comeback Woodhead… I’ll have to write it down.
Hmm, if it's only about 20% stronger in nicotine then I can perhaps give Irish Flake a go. Sometimes I can smoke an entire bowl of ODF and barely feel the buzz, but some other instances it really hits me.
This thread has lasted 20 pages and as some have pointed out, not much has been gleaned other than what was shared on page one.
At of caution, I have ordered some tobacco essential to a few of the blends I make for myself. My guess is that STG would most likely alter and change many of the blends we live anyway even if the factories were not closed - and even if STG wasn’t a factor, changing economies in the tobacco industry might require those blends to change just because leaf, processing, and other factors that determine blend quality are all changing anyway. It might be wise to pause this thread until more is known - otherwise it’s just a lot of noise. Or not.
At of caution, I have ordered some tobacco essential to a few of the blends I make for myself. My guess is that STG would most likely alter and change many of the blends we live anyway even if the factories were not closed - and even if STG wasn’t a factor, changing economies in the tobacco industry might require those blends to change just because leaf, processing, and other factors that determine blend quality are all changing anyway. It might be wise to pause this thread until more is known - otherwise it’s just a lot of noise. Or not.
They bought Planta but discontinued production in Berlin.
PSSSSssssssst...
The entire "story" isn't even real.
It's a prank by the International Consortium of Social Media Platforms outrage cultivation committee to entertain themselves and increase message traffic.
You been punk'd
The entire "story" isn't even real.
It's a prank by the International Consortium of Social Media Platforms outrage cultivation committee to entertain themselves and increase message traffic.
You been punk'd
PSSSSssssssst...
The entire "story" isn't even real.
It's a prank by the International Consortium of Social Media Platforms outrage cultivation committee to entertain themselves and increase message traffic.
You been punk'd
I think shutting down any bulk producer that many blend houses and shops use as their primary mixers would be pretty dumb. Fingers crossed this won’t be an extinction level event.
OK, I'll bite: Why is it dumb? The elves at STG seem to think it's the cat's pajamas.
The end of Mac Baren and Sutliff would be catastrophic but .....
Remember how the FDA Deeming Regulations were going to be the end of life as we know it and then pretty much nothing happened.
I'm hoping for a similar outcome here.
Remember how the FDA Deeming Regulations were going to be the end of life as we know it and then pretty much nothing happened.
I'm hoping for a similar outcome here.
I know many of you don't smoke cigarettes, some do, but even the cigarette market suffers.
A carton of the Camels I smoke (Menthol Wides) is now $102-something, and not long ago it was only $90, and last year it was $80. Cigarettes going up isn't just inflation or taxes, it's also a shrinking market.
Difference though is many will pay more for cigarettes, whereas if pipe tobacco raised prices instead of consolidating and shrinking, likely people would quit pipes faster than cigarette users quit cigarettes due to cost (for those that quit solely due to cost, and not for health or other reasons).
This is actually why I bought that Ropp Etudiant J15 I recently acquired...I'm trying to cut back on cigarettes (because of cost, not because I want to) and replacing with a pipe. Like in the morning when I get up and have my coffee, instead of chain smoking 4-5 cigarettes while I wake up and check the news/email/whatever, I have some burley the Ropp workhorse instead. Another option I considered for cost was going back to RYO for cigarettes, but I don't feel like figuring out what RYO or mix of RYO I would want, nor do I feel like rolling a bunch or figuring out which automated cigarette machine isn't a piece of shit.
A carton of the Camels I smoke (Menthol Wides) is now $102-something, and not long ago it was only $90, and last year it was $80. Cigarettes going up isn't just inflation or taxes, it's also a shrinking market.
Difference though is many will pay more for cigarettes, whereas if pipe tobacco raised prices instead of consolidating and shrinking, likely people would quit pipes faster than cigarette users quit cigarettes due to cost (for those that quit solely due to cost, and not for health or other reasons).
This is actually why I bought that Ropp Etudiant J15 I recently acquired...I'm trying to cut back on cigarettes (because of cost, not because I want to) and replacing with a pipe. Like in the morning when I get up and have my coffee, instead of chain smoking 4-5 cigarettes while I wake up and check the news/email/whatever, I have some burley the Ropp workhorse instead. Another option I considered for cost was going back to RYO for cigarettes, but I don't feel like figuring out what RYO or mix of RYO I would want, nor do I feel like rolling a bunch or figuring out which automated cigarette machine isn't a piece of shit.
That was mostly speculation. This is already underway.
A carton of no filters here is up to $110.
It’s pretty clear to me the upshot for STG if WCC, Country Squire, Peretti, Wilke, etc. were unable to source quality and affordable blending components. Those house blends will be off the market and not competing with STG’s other higher margin products.