Solani Aged Burley Flake vs C&D Pegasus

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Grangerous

Lifer
Dec 8, 2020
3,517
14,610
East Coast USA
In one of my rarer moments, I decided to smoke something from the cellar. While pulling the tab on a fresh tub of Granger (love that sound) —I took a moment to look through some opened “premium” tins. — you know —the ones I seldom smoke.
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Decided to revisit Solani ABF. Nice interior packaging, Solani. I kept the flakes within a zip-lock bag with the air squeezed out and folded unceremoniously within it’s tin. —It’s not high tech, but it’s been years and the flakes remain moist and fragrant. Tin note is mouthwatering, Solani, and the flakes are beautiful to behold.
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I opted to create a granger-like rough-cut by taking scissors to a single flake. I further rubbed out the cubes and placed them into the mid-day sun for 20 minutes to dry a bit.
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Hmmmm? What to smoke it in??? Garage cabinet had nothing pristine-clean but my eyes caught two unsmoked MM Country Gentleman cobs. Ahhh, these will do!
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I loaded one with the Solani and to my delight, that single Flake provided a perfect fill for the width and depth of the MM Country Gent.
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While testing the draw, I could taste a sweetness in the ABF. I don’t know how much of that to attribute to the new cob. —I should’ve tasted the draw of the empty cob first. Live n Learn.

Upon initial lighting and during the ensuing expansion of the cubes, I enjoyed a gentle sweetness. A neutral sweetness. No perceptible flavors, only a light, sweet-taste suspended in a very whispy and light-bodied smoke. For a burley, this has no rough spots. Retrohale is mild and I can detect a faint cocoa. I smoked a third of the bowl with absolutely no change. It’s pleasant, easy-going but…boring. I have to do something and fast!

Should I compare it to Granger? —No. I’ve done that before and the Granger beat the pants off of ABF. (I’m a bit biased. I uh, like Granger). Nope. I filled the other unsmoked cob with with C&D’s Pegasus. —But not before drawing on the empty cob first. Guess what? The sweetness is there. Same neutral sweetness as I experienced drawing on the unlit Solani. Uh ohhh, Solani.
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As soon as I lit the Pegasus, a comparable flavor explosion ensued! One doesn’t have to look hard to find the flavor in Pegasus. (I’m a bit biased. Uh. I like Pegasus) — That aside, there’s a genuine depth to Pegasus that the wimpy Solani cannot match. There’s a creaminess to Pegasus, a substantial mouthfeel and depth. Comparing the two I can feel the difference in body. There’s an initial roughness on retro with Pegasus, which I know from experience will mellow on the true light. But my word, the flavor present in Pegasus as well as the wonderful side-stream is euphoric. Comparing ABF to Pegasus is like Jello vs Ice cream. Nothing wrong with Jello, but I’ll take the ice cream, please.
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Back and forth between the bowls I go. I’m sorry Solani. I’m sure you are a favorite for many, and rightly so. You’re mild and lightly flavored and a quite pleasant smoke, but you’re not my cup of tea.

Pegasus? I need more than a pound of you!
 

pantsBoots

Lifer
Jul 21, 2020
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I've found ABF behaves much like Stonehaven - if the moisture isn't just so, the flavor is too subtle. When it's on, it's a masterful Burley. I'm still experimenting to figure out what this optimum condition feels and looks like.

Pegasus is a winner, though, for the same, but opposite, reason - it's mechanics are so easy, seemingly irrespective of pipe, moisture content, or packing method. Whenever I load up Pegasus, I know what I'm going to get - a joy of a smoke.
 

Grangerous

Lifer
Dec 8, 2020
3,517
14,610
East Coast USA
Pegasus is a winner, though, for the same, but opposite, reason - it's mechanics are so easy, seemingly irrespective of pipe, moisture content, or packing method. Whenever I load up Pegasus, I know what I'm going to get - a joy of a smoke.
I have to agree. Tonight I looked to SP to score some more and they’re complete sold out of Pegasus.

So I went to Tobaccopipes and they had only three 16 ounce bags of Pegasus in their inventory — those 3 are on the way to me now! ☝️?

—Sorry to anyone who was looking to score some bulk Pegasus. — Isn’t Socialism great? — But I digress.

That should hold me for a long stretch, alternating Pegasus with my Granger.

I now enjoy a rotation of two blends. — Life in the fast lane.
? ?. It’ll make you lose your mind.
 

spicy_boiii

Part of the Furniture Now
Aug 5, 2020
592
2,739
Bay Area, California
I've recently smoked all of those mentioned in this thread (Stonehaven, Pegasus, ABF, and Granger), and they are all so different to not be an apples and apples comparison.

Pegasus - I've pressed the Pegasus and hydrated just a tad before putting back on ice while I work through other blends. Pretty good, pretty strong. Seems like a great blend for a Cob. I've heard some say it's like a stronger unflavored (or less cased?) Carter Hall, and I can see where that description comes from. Burns easy. I like to break it up finer or the flavor seems very inconsistent.

Granger - There's something there that I haven't nailed down yet. I think I have to pack this in my best cob and really sit down to give this blend some respect. I get the casing, there's some licorice there that I usually don't like but it's very minor here. Smoking it with a breeze while fitting in a smoke at work has been underwhelming. So TBD For me.

ABF - Not to knock this stuff, but the casing is not light. Not a bad thing. It's got a delicious candy-licorice-brown sugar-earthy-natural chocolate flavor. I don't taste nuttiness with this one the same as other burleys. Hard to explain. A beautiful Flake. It leaves a unique taste/smell after a while that lingers/ghosts a little.

Stonehaven - I know this is talked about with other burleys, but it's really not comparable at all. A unique burley taste with some Dark VA flavor similarities and very smooth. While some like it more moist, I think the flavor pops a little more on the drier side - otherwise it seems all topping to me. Also doesn't seem like one of those blends that burns well when moist, but I'm certainly nothing remotely close to an expert.

I like my burley blends strong though so keep my bias in mind.

Thanks for sharing OP hope I didn't sway too far.
 

Grangerous

Lifer
Dec 8, 2020
3,517
14,610
East Coast USA
Nice write up. Makes it seem like we're there with ya!

Pegasus is a great blend. Not my daily rotation of Carter Hall and Ryback, but it's damn good.
D&R Ryback I’ve never tried that one because reviews say it’s very sweet. Others say it’s all natural. I know it’ll burn well, it’s a shag. One of these days.

How does it compare to Carter Hall in sweetness? I find Carter Hall just a tad too topped for my tastes. I used to love CH, but for that reason it’s fallen out of favor. My tastes have changed since the CH days.
 

didimauw

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Staff member
Jul 28, 2013
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D&R Ryback I’ve never tried that one because reviews say it’s very sweet. Others say it’s all natural. I know it’ll burn well, it’s a shag. One of these days.

How does it compare to Carter Hall in sweetness? I find Carter Hall just a tad too topped for my tastes. I used to love CH, but for that reason it’s fallen out of favor. My tastes have changed since the CH days.
Hmmm Id call Carter hall nutty and salty, and Ryback like sour fruit. But maybe my taste buds are broken. That's as good of a review as I can get lol.
 

hawky454

Lifer
Feb 11, 2016
5,338
10,234
Austin, TX
Its is highly unlikely I will be buying Solanis AB Flake any more because of this weird topping, for instance I like much better the Original Flake by Barens( formerly known as Walnut flake by Ogdens of Liverpool)
Yes! Walnut Flake is a good one. Always reminded me of St Bruno without the sauce. Another one that I wish was available in the US.
 

Grangerous

Lifer
Dec 8, 2020
3,517
14,610
East Coast USA
I found ABF a magnificent burley that never stinted on flavor, and although I only smoked a pouch of Carter Hall, I found it not significantly topped.
SaltedPlug,
Carter Hall imparts a chemical sweetness that I personally associate with 1Q or Captain Black Original. —Far far far less of course. But for me, it’s there. That artificial marshmallow-sweet taste. — Over time, I’ve acquired a taste for lighter hand with topping and I immediately taste artificial flavorings. I used to love CH.

Aromatics? Obviously not for me.

In blends like Pegasus, HH Acadian Perique —the natural tobaccos are the star, providing a natural flavor.

Now Granger, although it claims to be an untopped burley is not simply unflavored natural burley. —There is a definitely flavor beyond the burley in Granger. — MSO says it’s molasses. But whatever it is, it simply agrees with me and the flavor is very mild but consistent. The key here is — I don’t have to look for it.

I’m not completely averse to toppings. Whatever tops Peterson University Flake works for me. They say plum, but I get a mild, berry-like flavor that sings along with the burley.

As for ABF— if I have to search hard for flavor time and time again, it’s had its chance to win me over. I’ll move on.
 
Stonehaven - I know this is talked about with other burleys, but it's really not comparable at all. A unique burley taste with some Dark VA flavor similarities and very smooth. While some like it more moist, I think the flavor pops a little more on the drier side - otherwise it seems all topping to me. Also doesn't seem like one of those blends that burns well when moist, but I'm certainly nothing remotely close to an expert.
I am always surprised when I see hardcore non-aro people say that they love Stonehaven. I betcha if it was always on the shelves and easily to get to, it wouldn't get that special luxury status. IMO it's a straight up aromatic. Maybe a good aromatic, but to me, I just didn't like the flavorings added. Aged, I just couldn't stand the shit and gave all of my aged Stonehaven away, because it definitely didn't get better to my tastes.
But, as long as it is hard to find, it will be a unicorn, thusly people will seek it out. YMMV

ABF is ok, it is a good non-thinking smoke, but nothing to write home about in my experience. At worst, it's just boring. But, it didn't make me want to toss it all in the garbage or give it all away.

Pegasus is much better. I love it, but then I love the tastes of tobacco. If you don't like tobacco, you might like Stonehaven. puffy
 

Grangerous

Lifer
Dec 8, 2020
3,517
14,610
East Coast USA
I've found ABF behaves much like Stonehaven - if the moisture isn't just so, the flavor is too subtle. When it's on, it's a masterful Burley. I'm still experimenting to figure out what this optimum condition feels and looks like.
Interesting observation. — This morning, not wanting to waste tobacco, I was pleasantly surprised as I smoked the remaining third of the ABF after sitting overnight.

I’d had a bowl of Pegasus for bfast with strong coffee and a half bowl of Granger. When I returned from walking the pup, I lit up the cob with the ABF and was treated to that neutral, white-sugar-sweetness that I’d mentioned. Only it had more presence. Still light in body, but flavorful.

I shouldn’t be say quick to judge a quality burly like ABF. It’s not something I’ll buy more of but will enjoy revisiting until it’s gone.
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