Since It Is Baseball Time Again- Greatest Hitter Ever?

[judcole]

A hall of fame that doesn't have the best players in it like Bonds and Rose really doesn't have much credibility, does it?

Rose bet on baseball games, including those of his own team,and is banned from the game. There is no bigger taboo in baseball then betting on games.

the game itself hasn't changed that much

The one thing that really changed was the break between the "dead ball" era, and the current game. Up until after WWI, it was not a slugger's game - it was all about bat control and placing the ball. "Small ball" as they call it now.

 

[corncobguy]

Schmidt is without a doubt "at least" worthy of an extra look. Cobb vs Schmidt is a very interesting debate, of course you have to take in account time periods and who else played at that time. Cobb had a B/A of .366 which is outstanding :clap: but 112 homers and a big goose egg in the world series department is not something you tell your kids. Schmidt was an all around player with clutch hitting and the leadership to take a team all the way. Now im not dogging Cobb, outstanding player with the REPUTATION to back it up, but if he had played in the best years of baseball 70s 80s he would not even be mentioned. Info on Schmidt" it may surprise you"http://www.funtrivia.com/en/Sports/Mike-Schmidt-7586.html

 

[reichenbach]

Ty Cobb didn't hit home runs because he didn't want to not because he couldn't. He wanted to move runners and disrupt pitcher's rhythms while he was on the base paths thus helping the the hitters behind him. Nothing you can do about no rings though.
But the debate isn't world series rings though. It's best hitter.
I haven;t had time to look at the website yet, but my gut and memory tells me it's Teddy Ballgame. Another stat: Last guy to hit over .400 in a season (.406).
Also, Joe DiMaggio's 56 game record is debatable considering that sports writers scored the games back then and I read about two instances where they gave Joltin Joe the benefit of the doubt on close plays.

 

[terrygoldman123]

When all is said and done, the obvious choice is Ted Williams followed closely by the Say Hey kid, Willie Mays, then maybe DiMaggio and Musial and the others mentioned in these posts. No drugs, no scandals, no nonsense, just play ball.

 

[trailspike48]

I'm all in for Ty Cobb, or The Splendid Splinter, arguments for both as posted above are both sound.

As far as I am concerned, a comparison between Rose and steroid users is irrelevant. Rose violated the rules of baseball, knew it, and shows no remorse. Why should he be reinstated?

Here's a different opionion about Pete Rose. He had an addiction, similar to alcoholism, drugs, etc. On all other addictions we allow for treatment and regardless of the outcome there is no ban from the Hall. Yes I know it is a rule, but not all rules are correct. It was slao mentioned that his Charlie Hustle was an act. If his hustle was just put on, he never waavered or changed. He gaave 100% everytime. He is not my hero, but I think baseball is wrong to not include him in the Hall, he earned the right to be voted in on the field.

 

[peckinpahhombre]

Didn't we already settle this - Barry Bonds.

 

[dochudson]

Pete Rose.. yeah he could be a real a-hole but he could back it up on the field. Everyday he played he played hard and gave it 110%. When I got home from the Army the Big Red Machine was just getting cranked up and I would catch as many games as I could. With Sparky managing and these players. WOW
c johnny bench

1b tony Perez

2b joe Morgan

ss Dave concepcion

3b pete rose

lf george foster

cf Cesar Geronimo

rf ken griffy(Sr.)

 

[05venturer]

This Brewer Fan has to go with Robin Yount

 

[pstlpkr]

I'll "pitch" my two pennies in.
No question in my mind....
:worship: Tony Gwynn
I saw him foul off 15 straight pitches with a full count and then single, driving in the winning run.

The man was a pitcher's worst nightmare.
He also was durable. Playing for many years, and receiving many fielding awards and batting titles.
Position: Outfielder

Bats: Left, Throws: Right

Height: 5' 11", Weight: 195 lb.

In his 20 years he played 2,440 games

Home Runs: 135 RBIs: 1138

Life time Batting Average: .338

He wasn't flashy, but very effective and dependable.

::

 

[mustanggt]

I still remember that All-Star game in Boston 10+ years ago where all the players paid tribute to the man, Ted Williams, as he held court right there in the middle of the field. I believe he is the greatest hitter in my mind. I loved Pete Rose as a kid and I do now thinking of the memories. Thanks to the 1919 World Series between the Cincinnati Reds vs. Chicago Whitesox aka. the Blacksox scandal gambling will always be the first sin against "THE GAME" no matter what. Pete Rose cheated, all the steroid users cheated, corked bat, spitball on and on it goes. Some sins are more mortal than others so perspective needs to be kept. Throwing games to make money and others even more money is the most sinful of those acts followed very closely by the steroid scandal.

 

[bambam]

I would have to say the best 2 are Tony Gwynn and Rod Carew ::

 

[dochudson]

I still remember that All-Star game in Boston 10+ years ago where all the players paid tribute to the man, Ted Williams, as he held court right there in the middle of the field. I believe he is the greatest hitter in my mind. I loved Pete Rose as a kid and I do now thinking of the memories. Thanks to the 1919 World Series between the Cincinnati Reds vs. Chicago Whitesox aka. the Blacksox scandal gambling will always be the first sin against "THE GAME" no matter what. Pete Rose cheated, all the steroid users cheated, corked bat, spitball on and on it goes. Some sins are more mortal than others so perspective needs to be kept. Throwing games to make money and others even more money is the most sinful of those acts followed very closely by the steroid scandal.

Huh? never as a player. I admit he wasn't so bright a manager.

 

[bullbriar]

Is this even up for debate? TED WILLIAMS!

 

[mustanggt]

Doc, he came in on a golf cart because he couldn't walk and stand very well. It was to honor him for his achievements and contributions etc. Very stirring emotional moment.