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Here is an odd Supreme. I'd not seen this shape before. It is stamped with a 15 which, traditionally belongs to a straight billiard. And, that number is at the end of the underside of the shank, not on the right side near the bowl. Has a system stummel but no condenser. Hallmarked to 1971 on the 9ct. gold band. Your thoughts?
 

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Here is an odd Supreme. I'd not seen this shape before. It is stamped with a 15 which, traditionally belongs to a straight billiard. And, that number is at the end of the underside of the shank, not on the right side near the bowl. Has a system stummel but no condenser. Hallmarked to 1971 on the 9ct. gold band. Your thoughts?
It’s a lovely pipe, shape numbers change throughout the years, and often change depending on who’s retailing it or where it’s being sold? Roger’s Imports had it’s own shape numbers for all the Pete’s they sold in the U.S. for a brief period in the late 30’s and early 40’s. The numbers did not correspond to any Peterson numbering conventions whatsoever.

What makes you say it’s a “System” stummle? Does it have a well? Is the tenon threaded for a condenser? An early 70’s Supreme could have had a pressed in (unthreaded) condenser. It may have been pulled out by a previous owner.
 

Sobrbiker

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Jan 7, 2023
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A quartet of straight systems covering Patent, Erie, Freestate, and Republic eras.

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That Eire smooth is awesome!
I’ve got an Eire 31, but its threaded condenser seems to be vulcanite and has suffered heat damage from being directly below the draft hole.
I can see why bone (or such) may have been a better material.
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Jun 9, 2015
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That Eire smooth is awesome!
I’ve got an Eire 31, but its threaded condenser seems to be vulcanite and has suffered heat damage from being directly below the draft hole.
I can see why bone (or such) may have been a better material.
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That is bone, it turns jet black after having been smoked for years. That’s exactly what the straight system condensers do, they burn close to the draft hole. It’s just part and parcel of the straight system pipe. Also the straight system stingers are often not threaded but rather glued in.
 

Sobrbiker

Lifer
Jan 7, 2023
6,547
89,403
Casa Grande, AZ
That is bone, it turns jet black after having been smoked for years. That’s exactly what the straight system condensers do, they burn close to the draft hole. It’s just part and parcel of the straight system pipe. Also the straight system stingers are often not threaded but rather glued in.
Thanks Fletch, always glad to learn something new!
 

irishearl

Lifer
Aug 2, 2016
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Kansas
Question for the Pete guys in here - why do they seem to never make SH Squires? Do they just stick to a particular SH shape for a while and then move on to the next one?
Since I already have a squire and a Hudson, didn't occur to me but, now that you mention it, haven't seen either on SP for a while. Mine came from there.
 
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