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Nomenclature suggests 1947 to 1951.
I was actually trying to date it off of some of your earlier threads. I came up with The REGD on the stem around 39ish with absence of shape sizes. I’m glad you responded! lol I was off a few years!
It's the "fossil" stamp. Barling didn't start using it until after WW2, AFAIK. Pre-War sandblasts appear to have been named "Nibblick" or no special stamping.
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This is the seller I bought it from. They accepted returns and were kind. So I was thankful for that. Just thought I’d share as the listing again doesn’t show the damage to the hidden gem in the back.
inheritated some pipes from my dad (still with us!), who had some of his pipes from his father.
One of the pipes is a Barling and I am struggling to find much detail about it online. Based on what I have been able to find online the stamp suggests post transition/coporate era, but then the 4 digit model number starting with a 1 suggests family era? just curious to learn more about this particualr pipe
If any of you has some clues and/or comments, I'd appreciate it!
One of the pipes is a Barling and I am struggling to find much detail about it online. Based on what I have been able to find online the stamp suggests post transition/coporate era, but then the 4 digit model number starting with a 1 suggests family era? just curious to learn more about this particualr pipe
If any of you has some clues and/or comments, I'd appreciate it!
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The Barling logo is hard to read. Is it in script as opposed to block letters? And does it say London England below the logo stamp? Where is the TVF stamp placed relative to the rest of the nomenclature? Also, what is the model number?
A Yachtsman? Zulu?
Anyway, in addition to posting what you can read in reply to the above, more photos of the nomenclature could help.
Anyway, in addition to posting what you can read in reply to the above, more photos of the nomenclature could help.
@sablebrush52 @jpmcwjr thank you for the quick replies - here are some more pictures
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One last question about the slot. Are the East/West ends of the slot straight or curved?
I’m fairly certain that this pipe was made in the early 1970’s.
I’m fairly certain that this pipe was made in the early 1970’s.
Ok, so there's some handwork in this stem, which would normally place it earlier in the Corporate Era. But, there's also a 4 digit number beginning with a 1, and a TVF stamp, which indicates that it's later.
When the Barling model numbering system was revamped in 1962 the four digit numbering system adopted didn't use a 1 for the first digit. The first numbers ranged from 2 through 6. The reason for that was to avoid confusing these pipes with the older four digit pipes made for the domestic (UK) market during the Family Era.
Also, when the logo was changed from a block lettered "BARLING'S MAKE" to a script "Barling" or "Barlings" at the end of 1962, the TVF stamp was dropped. It didn't make its reappearance until around 1965, as near as I can tell.
I dug out my copies of the two catalogs that Barling published in 1962, the 150th Anniversary Catalog from midyear and the Dealer's Catalog from November of 1962 that shows the revised nomenclature and product lines.
What first struck me was the length of the thick section of the saddle stem. The thick section of Barling stems were either shorter in length than in diameter, or nearly the same. There are a couple of examples where the length is noticeably longer, but not with this shape. After looking through the two catalogs it also became apparent that the proportions of the bowl are different than the Barling shape, which is taller.
So these factors, bowl proportions, stem proportions, four digit number beginning with a 1, outweigh the finish on the slot, which suggests to me that this pipe was made in the early to mid 1970's, after the Barling factories were shuttered, when Imperial Tobacco, which owned Barling at that time, decided to outsource the manufacture of Barling pipes to Charatan and to Oppenheimer, before turning over manufacturing to Nording.
When the Barling model numbering system was revamped in 1962 the four digit numbering system adopted didn't use a 1 for the first digit. The first numbers ranged from 2 through 6. The reason for that was to avoid confusing these pipes with the older four digit pipes made for the domestic (UK) market during the Family Era.
Also, when the logo was changed from a block lettered "BARLING'S MAKE" to a script "Barling" or "Barlings" at the end of 1962, the TVF stamp was dropped. It didn't make its reappearance until around 1965, as near as I can tell.
I dug out my copies of the two catalogs that Barling published in 1962, the 150th Anniversary Catalog from midyear and the Dealer's Catalog from November of 1962 that shows the revised nomenclature and product lines.
What first struck me was the length of the thick section of the saddle stem. The thick section of Barling stems were either shorter in length than in diameter, or nearly the same. There are a couple of examples where the length is noticeably longer, but not with this shape. After looking through the two catalogs it also became apparent that the proportions of the bowl are different than the Barling shape, which is taller.
So these factors, bowl proportions, stem proportions, four digit number beginning with a 1, outweigh the finish on the slot, which suggests to me that this pipe was made in the early to mid 1970's, after the Barling factories were shuttered, when Imperial Tobacco, which owned Barling at that time, decided to outsource the manufacture of Barling pipes to Charatan and to Oppenheimer, before turning over manufacturing to Nording.
Thank you so much for all the details! I had found the info on block to script change and the 4 digits starting with 2 - and 1 representing English stock prior - so that conflicting detail had me give up on my own research 
I don’t know enough about pipes just yet but for what it’s worth I love smoking this ~55 yr old pipe - so if quality post family era was an issue I now want to know what a 1960 Barling could do for me
I don’t know enough about pipes just yet but for what it’s worth I love smoking this ~55 yr old pipe - so if quality post family era was an issue I now want to know what a 1960 Barling could do for me
A trio of Barling straight Bulldogs
Thanks to Jesse’s (@sablebrush52) detailed guide above they can be dated as
Top : Family era
Middle: Early corporate era
Bottom: Late corporate era
All 3 pipes were drilled correctly with central draught holes at the bottom of the bowls
I smoked MacBaren’s HH Pure Virginia in them consecutively this afternoon
All 3 bowls smoked down to the bottom (with meer chips or Nording Keystones) with no relights
I had no time to dry the tobacco today.
Slight gurgling with both the family and early corporate era pipes - needing a pipe cleaner or two. Zero gurgling with the late corporate era one.
All three pipes smoked well
The first two had narrower airways - I had to use Stanwell thin cleaners as they won’t pass the fluffy cleaners I usually use.
No such problem with the third pipe.
Please note I have no experience with the Danish or the recent Kopp produced Barlings
Thanks to Jesse’s (@sablebrush52) detailed guide above they can be dated as
Top : Family era
Middle: Early corporate era
Bottom: Late corporate era
All 3 pipes were drilled correctly with central draught holes at the bottom of the bowls
I smoked MacBaren’s HH Pure Virginia in them consecutively this afternoon
All 3 bowls smoked down to the bottom (with meer chips or Nording Keystones) with no relights
I had no time to dry the tobacco today.
Slight gurgling with both the family and early corporate era pipes - needing a pipe cleaner or two. Zero gurgling with the late corporate era one.
All three pipes smoked well
The first two had narrower airways - I had to use Stanwell thin cleaners as they won’t pass the fluffy cleaners I usually use.
No such problem with the third pipe.
Please note I have no experience with the Danish or the recent Kopp produced Barlings
It’s possible that the third pipe was made by Charatan, whose pipes were drilled with a 4mm bore for straights and 4.7mm for vents, according to Ken Barnes.
I have been wanting to add to the herd and I have never owned a Barling pipe. Well, that is no longer the case. Here are my two newest adds:
