San Francisco Banned Smoking In Apartments

[cosmicfolklore]

I don't think I would live in SF if someone paid me to do it. Definitely some next level cool stuff in that town but the mentality just seems crazy.

I've visited. It is a very interesting place, with lots of cool history. But, I wouldn't want to live there. New York... I've been once... I'm not even interested in visiting it any more. It's like you have to entrust every part of your being to that city just to move around it... I just can't do that.

 

[condorlover1]

I visited SF once otherwise known as the Republic of Granola. I never really liked the place. It struck me as terribly expensive and rather bland. I have friends who lived there during the hippy moment during the 1960s who thought it had lost its soul circa 1980. As for NYC I have lived there on and off for 25 years and it has changed out of all proportion. When I arrived in 95 it was a gritty, interesting place that sort of resembled a Raymond Chandler novel. By the end of the first Bloomberg term in office it had become Disney Land with all the 'interesting' people priced out of the city and seemed to resemble a hive with thousands of comforming drones whizzing around attending to the elites. I remember some terrible person complaining about all 'the poor people' hoarding rent stabilized apartments in the village which was really ruining the cultural feel of the village and preventing people with vision moving to the area!

 

[lukasstrifeson]

Maybe you've just gone "nose blind"..

That's definitely not impossible, I'm always shocked by how much my place smells like "me" when I return from a trip away. But in this case, it's my neighbor's place, I've been going over for years but until he told me he smokes every day (in his house to not bother the neighbors) I had no idea. Now, if someone was smoking ciggy pops in their apartment you'll know as soon as they turn the handle ?

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When I am actually in my house, I don't smell tobacco. It is only when I return after travelling that I am greeted with the wonderful aroma. I bet that pot is the same way.
I also don't smell tobacco on me...

And, the other poster said that his parents smoked it around him.

I'm actually quite open minded. I didn't say anything about the morals of smoking pot. I actually don't have much of an opinion at all on the matter. I really don't know much about it, nor do I want to. It helps me not judge people I know who use it.

And you would soon to be parted with your money. The original point was exactly that: for some reason marijuana smoke does not ghost a room the same way tobacco does.

I wasn't referring to any moral implications of smoking marijuana, I was simply referring to the ghosting characteristics of it.

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I find this to be true (with many, many years of experience), however, I don't notice my pipe smoking leaving too much of a trace either (have asked for verification from visitors who I know would be honest) --I think cigarettes are just made with some funky stuff that smells harsh and leaves residue (my house is pretty 'open' too)

As someone who enjoys both things, I think it is really messed up to allow one but not the other (vaporization is another thing) ...I don't think I would live in SF if someone paid me to do it. Definitely some next level cool stuff in that town but the mentality just seems crazy.

Won't try to unpack all that, but to keep things on topic: - yes, the consensus seems to be marijuana smoke does not ghost a room the same way tobacco does.

I think the degree to which pipe tobacco ghosts can largely depend on the blend.

 

[Country Bladesmith]

I visited SF once otherwise known as the Republic of Granola. I never really liked the place. It struck me as terribly expensive and rather bland.

Same perception here. Everything is ridiculously overpriced for what it is.
What really tripped me out was I went to a relatively cheap restaurant my first night there, and ordered food and a beer. I looked at the food prices on the menu, but made the mistake of thinking a beer would be about $3 like it is at most restaurants here, instead of actually looking. One friggin beer was almost as much as my meal! On top of that, they charged me some kind of surcharge because “it’s a restaurant.” ?
I asked the waiter about it and he said that’s to pay for everyone’s healthcare. Now I have plenty of contention with that alone, but the real kicker:
I’m pretty sure they charged me tax on the surcharge! ?
I ain’t going back. They can have it. The highlight of the trip was buying a homeless dude a beer and drinking a cold one with him outside the store. I felt sorry for him, not because he was homeless, but because of all places, he was stuck there. I don’t mean to rag on anyone’s home town or anything, it was beautiful country around there, but horribly mismanaged in my opinion. And that’s not a political statement. I’ve seen good governance come from both parties, but that place was something else...

 

[mso489]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for everyone's health. That is the heaviest drinking town this side of Moscow. Start with bloody Mary's for breakfast, and chase that with wines for lunch, and have a cocktail or two before dinner, and then get down to some serious drinking. People get so conditioned, they have to drink about a gallon to get a little buzz and proceed from there. All very healthy and legal, you understand. I'm sure glad no one is smoking in the apartments. That really wouldn't be healthy at all.

 

[edger]

I visited SF once otherwise known as the Republic of Granola. I never really liked the place. It struck me as terribly expensive and rather bland. I have friends who lived there during the hippy moment during the 1960s who thought it had lost its soul circa 1980. As for NYC I have lived there on and off for 25 years and it has changed out of all proportion. When I arrived in 95 it was a gritty, interesting place that sort of resembled a Raymond Chandler novel. By the end of the first Bloomberg term in office it had become Disney Land with all the 'interesting' people priced out of the city and seemed to resemble a hive with thousands of comforming drones whizzing around attending to the elites. I remember some terrible person complaining about all 'the poor people' hoarding rent stabilized apartments in the village which was really ruining the cultural feel of the village and preventing people with vision moving to the area!

It's the rich people hoarding rent control apartments that distorts the price of housing in NYC. The city needs more affordable housing in Queens and other places nearby NOT rent control. Less corruption and more free market.

 

[Mr.Mike]

Shouldn't matter too much, 2/3 of the city are homeless.

 

[sablebrush52]

Information that will surprise some of the posters on this thread:

1. San Francisco is not the State of California, in any permutation you might be able to conjure up.

2. California is a very diverse state with diverse ideologies.

3. California is the 6th largest economy in the world.

3a. Corollary to 3: How's your state doing?

4. San Francisco has become the world's largest pissoire. The City Council should be focusing on that, but they're a bunch of shitheads.

5. The San Francisco City Council is often at odds with its constituency. Case in point, when the City Council voted to ban public nudity in the Castro, a large group of residents showed up at the Council Chamber and collectively mooned the City Council. BTW, people still walk around the Castro in their birthday suits. Most of them really really shouldn't.

6. The Bay Area has much better pizza than you have. Get over it.

6a. Corollary to 6: Los Angeles has the best pastrami in the US. NYC blows smoke.

7. Cannabis and tobacco are different substances. Comparing apples to oranges is pointless, not to say witless.

 

[mso489]

Heck, I loved the three or four trips to SFran that I have made. Great place to visit, as they say. It's a good walking city, which you can't say about most. It's setting and landscape and seascape are beautiful. I did encounter some weird rudeness, one well-dressed fellow commanding me to slide over on the cable car to make way for him and his lady friend -- showing off for her of course, but needlessly, which I hope she noticed for her own sake, if she wasn't too smitten. But obnoxious enough that I never forget the rudeness. A quiet, "Could you slide over please," would have done the trick. Ah, hormones. In more subtle ways, I got that tone from others. No wonder their gun control is so rigorous. But it is a lovely place, with elegant food, pleasing weather, and an air of openness and adventure.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

Information that will surprise some of the posters on this thread:

1. San Francisco is not the State of California, in any permutation you might be able to conjure up.

2. California is a very diverse state with diverse ideologies.

3. California is the 6th largest economy in the world.

3a. Corollary to 3: How's your state doing?

4. San Francisco has become the world's largest pissoire. The City Council should be focusing on that, but they're a bunch of shitheads.

5. The San Francisco City Council is often at odds with its constituency. Case in point, when the City Council voted to ban public nudity in the Castro, a large group of residents showed up at the Council Chamber and collectively mooned the City Council. BTW, people still walk around the Castro in their birthday suits. Most of them really really shouldn't.

6. The Bay Area has much better pizza than you have. Get over it.

6a. Corollary to 6: Los Angeles has the best pastrami in the US. NYC blows smoke.

7. Cannabis and tobacco are different substances. Comparing apples to oranges is pointless, not to say witless.

Yes, the state of Ronald Reagan.
I don't remember anyone disparaging the state, just the city.
If I never had another slice of pizza in my life... I probably wouldn't notice.
Yeh, it always seems that when an area makes some anti-smoking law, people always bring up pot, as if it was legal anywhere to just walk around smoking pot in the open. My understanding is that it can only be done in private. But, I haven't been to a pot state since they started having pot states. Unless Florida is a pot state... in that case, I've never seen pot there.

 

[musicman]

They spend too much money to stand alone.. they need the rest of us to kick in our share so they can continue to feed the monster.

The cali boys should be here soon to justify this..

Not a Cali boy here. Grew up in Oregon HATING Californians, but you're just plain wrong. California, and many other high-tax high service blue states, pays more to the federal coffers than they get in return. Meanwhile, states such as South Dakota, Alabama, and Mississippi receive far more in federal funding and services than they pay in. I'm not going to argue the merits or faults of this system, but this idea that California (and states like it) are sucking at the teat of the federal government (and taking more than their share) are demonstrably false. If anything, it's states such as your own that are taking more than their share.

 

[musicman]

Back to the original topic at hand, I can see why a municipality might enact an indoor apartment smoking ban. With shared walls and other systems, smoke (particularly cigarette smoke) can easily make its way into other apartments and pollute the air in someone else's home. While I believe we should have a strong right to do what we want in our own homes, I also believe that the right to control whether or not we have clean air should trump that right. Simply put, if the action you are taking is making someone else's life worse through no fault of their own, then it's not necessarily your right to do it.

 

[jpberg]

Some form of self resentment.. It's really wacky stuff, the amount of people on this forum who support anti smoking laws.

They'll be here soon to help prove this.

Look at the smoking in your house thread. Vast majority support not doing it. Makes it easy for cities to take the next step.

 

[stokesdale]

This thread has become depressing so let me lighten the mood. You know what I just did? I just popped a big ole zit on my left ass cheek and when I did I looked up into the heavens and screamed hallelujah!!!! Damned that felt good! Anyone else ever felt that way after popping a zit on their ass?

 

[didimauw]

In wisconsin smoking indoors in public, and apartments has been banned for over a decade now. I only know of one place you can still smoke inside, and it's a casino. Only one is left you can still smoke in.

I'm not much of a gambler, but I'll go hang out for hours, spending monies, if I can smoke....

 

[anotherbob]

...and yet we have a whole thread of pipesmokers talking about NOT smoking in their own home (by choice). A weird dichotomy.

I am not sure why someone would want to live there, or even New York for that matter.

because despite the many issues there is a lot of amazing things happening all the time in both places. You'll never run out of social engagements or interesting things if that's your bag. And you know in a lot of the country where it's not illegal to smoke in your apartment it's going to be in the majority of leases you sign anyways. Even here if you want to smoke in your place you either need to own it or really look for an apartment that doesn't care. Or more likely just break the rules and probably not get caught.

 

[olkofri]

Cali will be bankrupt and it's own Country in the next 10 years.

They won't even have to declare independence: they'll be asked to leave or be kicked out outright.

 

[cosmicfolklore]

because despite the many issues there is a lot of amazing things happening all the time in both places. You'll never run out of social engagements or interesting things if that's your bag.

One of the things that I love here, is that my house is in a small town, with lots of small town festivals and stuff happening every month. But, my farm is about five miles down the road, secluded, where I can hunt and the kids can ride four wheelers. And, twenty minutes away is Birmingham, with lots of city things, like art shows, museum events, plays, great restaurants. And, just an hour or so in different directions, I have the mountains, rivers, and the best beaches in the world. It's like anything a person could need... unless you need a taxi or a subway.

 

[olkofri]

unless you need a taxi or a subway

Or an Apple Store.

 

[jpberg]

Or an Apple Store.

Apple does that internet thing. Only takes two days to get a phone to Amish country.