Samuel Gawith Tobacco Let Export Continental Europe

[Gus]

EDIT: Fixed Capitalization in Title (See Rule 9)

Hello, the site is in German but it is easy to understand, even with a translator.

It seems that SG will stop exporting to the EU after Brexit. Bad news for Europeans

BREXIT | Samuel-Gawith liefert nicht mehr in die EU - Das Pfeifenblog

Die Nachricht kam jetzt nicht so wahnsinnig überraschend, aber es ist passiert: Samuel Gawith wird auf absehbare Zeit Kontinentaleuropa nicht mehr beliefern. Wie wir aus den üblicherweise gut unterrichteten Kreisen erfuhren, hat sich Samuel Gawith also die Gawith Hoggarth & Co Ltd. entschieden...

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best regards
Gus

 

[Gus]

A Tribute to a Passionate Pipe Collector - The Danish Pipe Shop

In August 2023, the world, and particularly the pipe community, lost Jørgen Jensen. I knew Jørgen quite well, mostly from earlier days...

www.danishpipeshop.com

from the site, copy and paste

"The EU has a regulation toward tobacco including pipe tobacco where 70 % tax is added to products made outside the EU. This is on top of the normal tobacco tax (that has just increased in Denmark), VAT, etc.

Since England decided to exit the EU, a company like Samuel Gawith will be considered an 'outside EU tobacco product supplier' and must comply with different taxation. In short this means a tin from Samuel Gawith in 2021 will cost around 300-350 DKK or approx. 60 USD/50 EUR. Simply because it is now an 'outside EU pipe tobacco'. This is also why we don't carry any of the many American made brands here in Denmark."

 

[fireground_piper]

Isn't it less that they are going to stop exporting, and more about EU countries don't think there's a justifiable market to order tins that will retail at $60USD?

A retailer can still order from them, they just have to hope the market is there to purchase at the new cost.

 

[Gus]

now costs about 10 euros per tin in Spain, C&D and GL Pease cigars were brought in at 22 euros per tin and stayed in the tobacconists for years...no one was buying. Why?

Simple, for the amount of 2 tins, I buy almost 4 from Samoking poipes and, even with shipping, it is cheaper than two in Spain.

In Spain tobacco is highly regulated by the State, a price of 50/60 USD is not bearable.

In addition, the State does not allow retailers to buy, everything is controlled by them, they can only buy from 2 or three companies in Spain, always under their control, and it is very complicated to get permission.

Years ago a company started to bring G&H, Ratrays, Dunhill, DAN etc, the price was set by the state, between 8 and 10 euros a can, then it brought the Americans at 22 euros.... after 6 months it closed down.

 

[Simmerdown☕️]

One possible good thing to come of this may benefit US markets. If EU is not gonna be bringing in any more SG supposedly because of cost, then it stands to reason that a good portion of the balance of the stock that would otherwise go for sale in the EU will come to ??? ️

 

[Gus]

hahahaha...I wish, my cellar is fine for now and I live in a paradise, most of my purchases, 90% are from somoking pipes, today I made the last one...someday I will go to New York, but for work to the art gallery that represents me or to San Francisco where another one represents me, meanwhile, I will take care of my cellar.

 

[Casual]

Yeah, it doesn’t sound like they won’t export. It sounds like an EU retailer won’t import. Protectionism is a hell of a drug.

 

[verporchting]

Not sure of the details but there’s possibly another issue regarding VAT that has been playing havoc with imports / exports between the UK and EU as well. I.e. who bears the cost and paperwork for collection. Not sure if that is an additional concern or not?

Trade barriers, tariffs, taxes and such can destroy a market and any companies trying to navigate the minefield. On top of the actual demand or lack thereof, profit margins and of course, public opinion for smoking, etc.

Hopefully SG can withstand the hit from losing a big market share....

 

[artvandelay007]

Isn't it less that they are going to stop exporting, and more about EU countries don't think there's a justifiable market to order tins that will retail at $60USD?

A retailer can still order from them, they just have to hope the market is there to purchase at the new cost.

This may be the case but everywhere has their own packaging requirements and other regulations. SG may have determined that with the massive increase in prices they couldn’t sell enough to to justify the compliance costs.

 

[artvandelay007]

One possible good thing to come of this may benefit US markets. If EU is not gonna be bringing in any more SG supposedly because of cost, then it stands to reason that a good portion of the balance of the stock that would otherwise go for sale in the EU will come to ??? ️

I hope this is the case but I think the problem was with the US importer not ordering enough.

 

[tzanet]

I cannot decide wether i get mad or sad over this. Damnit

 

[anotherbob]

Not sure of the details but there’s possibly another issue regarding VAT that has been playing havoc with imports / exports between the UK and EU as well. I.e. who bears the cost and paperwork for collection. Not sure if that is an additional concern or not?

Trade barriers, tariffs, taxes and such can destroy a market and any companies trying to navigate the minefield. On top of the actual demand or lack thereof, profit margins and of course, public opinion for smoking, etc.

Hopefully SG can withstand the hit from losing a big market share....

might explain why they're acting like the American market is important now.

 

[sablebrush52]

There's no telling how this will shake out. Brexit left a bunch of trade deals unfinished. As for whether more will come to the US, that remains to be seen, They could sell more to Asia.

 

[jpmcwjr]

Thank you, Gus, but where do you live now?

You can put your location in your Profile—(please!—because people will forget!) That will save questions in the future as to where you live when you later mention local stores, weather, tobacco prices, availability, regulations, location of photos, wildfires, air quality, etc., etc..
Under your avatar, (top right, left most of three symbols) you choose "Account Details", which brings up "My Account". "My Location" is halfway down. Whatever you're comfortable with- town, city, county, state. Just country if you must.

 

[Gus]

Thank you, Gus, but where do you live now?

You can put your location in your Profile—(please!—because people will forget!) That will save questions in the future as to where you live when you later mention local stores, weather, tobacco prices, availability, regulations, location of photos, wildfires, air quality, etc., etc..
Under your avatar, (top right, left most of three symbols) you choose "Account Details", which brings up "My Account". "My Location" is halfway down. Whatever you're comfortable with- town, city, county, state. Just country if you must.

I live in Spain, Balearic Islands

Done, my location is in my profile

 

[Simmerdown☕️]

I hope this is the case but I think the problem was with the US importer not ordering enough.

I’m just thinking optimistically going forward. ?️

 

[goldenmole]

Thanks guys for the reminder.. just put in a quick order for 5 tins of Brown Sugar Flake before it dissappears!

 

[Mark 0092]

i'm sorry about my friends living in Italy... Daniel synieco confirms that Switzerland will not be touched by not being in EU, but prices will increase here too, I think and I hope we will not see...

 

[perdurabo]

Awesome! Hopefully all that tobacco that usually goes to the EU can come to the US.

 

[artvandelay007]

Thanks guys for the reminder.. just put in a quick order for 5 tins of Brown Sugar Flake before it dissappears!

I thought that one was already discontinued. Congratulations on that. I’m sure they’ll all be snapped up quick if they’re still available from the Danish Pipe Shop.