Rouseco Buoy Gold

[towhee89]

Very interesting thread. I actually enjoy Ohm Turkish Yellow in a pipe and ryo, not that I would take it over my PA and CH and 5 bros but it is good. I like it better than the red.

I've tried quite a few bagged Tobacco's and my favorite are the D&R but I do prefer them as ryo. I'm curious to try Buoy Yellow, sounds really nice. I ordered my gf more of the Windsail Platinum as she has switched from Winston White 100s. I think it's gonna be a shag cut now which I don't prefer for ryo, but it's fda regulations at work there. I'm not sure if D&R quality changed when they were bought out by itc but it seems so. I really want to try Two Timer as a pipe tobacco. A lot of them just are fairly harsh in a pipe and burn fast but they come dry so you get more. I am sad I didn't get to try their Ramback turkish, or picayune.

The ohm yellow is surprisingly good with the Turkish spice. There is something with the smell that makes me think bagged cig tobacco, but it's good. Of course Prince Albert and Carter Hall and 5 Bros are my main pipe smokes, but I want to obtain the Buoy. Seems it isn't as common in stores here as others.

 

[TheIronMonkey]

Yes


Bug Tussle, MO isn’t to be found on any map other than the conjectures of a certain lawyer from California, MO. And I emphasize the word California. It is found in a few other states, but not Missouri.

However, Blue Eye, MO is a real place. It is not far from Dogpatch USA and Silver Dollar City. My mother is buried in the Blue Eye Cemetery. The Yokums live a few miles up the road. Sadie Hawkins came from this area and so did all her kin.

Jim Baker of Jim and Tammy Faye fame lives and still broadcasts from his studios in Blue Eye. He is selling Jesus and dry food meals that can be reconstituted with boiling water. There is nothing to make up when it comes to Blue Eye. When i worked with the folks at the Missouri State Education Department, they would always ask, “What will the folks in Blue Eye think about this regulation?”

So if we are going to nuke some place, lets nuke Bug Tussel, MO. No one will het hurt and the only wound will be to the imaginary pride of no one who really lives there, unlike Blue Eye which has all the qualities and spirit of Bug Tussel and actually exists.

The folks there are real and the name of their city can be found on their tax records. There is no need to create any hyperbole about their lives to make a point about the Will Ole the Wisp that haunts the cobwebs that hang over the dry rotted door that shuts out the light from an old hurricane lamp that was turned off years ago.

A true Pogo fan.

With the Blue Eye and Pogo references, I couldn’t resist sharing this:

 

[Briar Lee]

In this country, as free and open as it has been designed to be, unfaithful traitors who will betray their native land are too many, and their access to the top levels of our nation’s security too easy.

I’ve always thought that top level security clearances should depend on a full knowledge of every song in Stonewall Jackson’s 1968 album The Great Old Songs

There once was a schoolhouse and church at a place first called Sexton, later Hamlet, and finally Bug Tussle.

And North Carolina bright leaf sold at the store, in little cloth bags.

Those that call Bug Tussle home, are always there in spirit.

The boy can leave Bug Tussle, but it never leaves him.

 

[heddle22]

I hate to admit this here - but another vote for Ohm TUrkish Yellow in pipe!

Not as great as my originals - but this is a new avenue for me - and I yet to be disappointed....

 

[towhee89]

Now this is a fantastic bagged tobacco. I had some in 2021 but it wasn't as good as this. Pure Virginia gold leaf goodness. A little harder to load in a pipe because it's a very long ribbon but of course can be adjusted. It has no ryo grape juice smelling casing like some of the ohm does, this is just straight tobacco smelling. Burns fast but I may use it as a mixer. I got it for my gf to ryo and I use it for that as well as I got back to smoking American Spirits there for a brief period and couldn't afford it.

Windy City Cigars who actually is owned by itc, who owns and makes d&r now, said the fda was making bagged tobacco be shag cut now. Thankfully this is not, it is a very long ribbon and I'm very happy about that even tho it's longer than I prefer for the pipe. I've had Three Sails also and that is a shag. Was basically a modern Three Castles from what I read and sadly never got to try. But this is some very high quality baccy, this is more what I expect from this company.

 

[Briar Lee]

An update on aged Buoy Gold.

My wife went in the hospital the last of June and stayed until the middle of July.

I bought two pounds of Buoy Gold then, and misplaced it.

Six months age in the bag improves Buoy Gold. It’s mellower and sweeter, in both cigarette and pipe. The smell of the tobacco in the bag is more sublime, less pungent.

Before long I’ll get to my first five pound bag.

If you’re worried about the demise of pipe tobacco as we know it, a hundred pounds of Buoy Gold costs about a thousand dollars and makes 15,000 3 gram pipefuls, or about 45,000 cigarretes.

If you don’t like a mild Virginia, you can always blend burley with it to taste.

 

[Brendan]

I can't believe this thread has 266 comments / 14 pages

 

[Richmond B. Funkenhouser]

A lot of people just don't know how to smoke blends like this.

It's like bowling with the gutter bumpers down.

You have to smoke it slowly.

 

[towhee89]

A lot of people just don't know how to smoke blends like this.

It's like bowling with the gutter bumpers down.

You have to smoke it slowly.

Yeah, and pack so tight. I tried to smoke some of my D and R in a pipe, honestly not gonna switch over from my PA and CH and 5 Bros, but hey....

 

[Briar Lee]

Further research on Rouseco reveals it’s listed as a tobacco warehouse in the absolute heart of the Old Belt in Kinston North Carolina.

Flue cured bright Virginia should be aged in tobacco warehouses and Fred Rouse and his family have been at that business for eight generations now.

They likely had a warehouse full of Bright leaf paid for in Confederate money when Richmond fell.

From what I can tell, their Golden Harvest Gold costs a dollar more a pound and the difference might be another six months or so aging, and a few less stalks in the blend.

They might import from Kentucky a little burley to the blend, but it’s not much.

Rouseco is a hidden treasure for pipe smokers.

 

[towhee89]

Further research on Rouseco reveals it’s listed as a tobacco warehouse in the absolute heart of the Old Belt in Kinston North Carolina.

Flue cured bright Virginia should be aged in tobacco warehouses and Fred Rouse and his family have been at that business for eight generations now.

They likely had a warehouse full of Bright leaf paid for in Confederate money when Richmond fell.

From what I can tell, their Golden Harvest Gold costs a dollar more a pound and the difference might be another six months or so aging, and a few less stalks in the blend.

They might import from Kentucky a little burley to the blend, but it’s not much.

Rouseco is a hidden treasure for pipe smokers.

I've heard from other folks Buoy was one of the best Virginia bagged Tobacco's. I was waiting until I find it in a store here in North Carolina instead of ordering , but I've never seen it. Surely Rouseco has it in some stores, usually Ohm is king.

4 Aces is another that you guys say is a 5 brothers copy. I just can't see it but, only one way to find out.

I do smoke occasionally ryo cigs with my Powermatic Iii+. My gf loves Windsail Platinum and I love Vengeur. And those Tobacco's are truly additive and flavoring free.

 

[Briar Lee]

I've heard from other folks Buoy was one of the best Virginia bagged Tobacco's. I was waiting until I find it in a store here in North Carolina instead of ordering , but I've never seen it. Surely Rouseco has it in some stores, usually Ohm is king.

4 Aces is another that you guys say is a 5 brothers copy. I just can't see it but, only one way to find out.

I do smoke occasionally ryo cigs with my Powermatic Iii+. My gf loves Windsail Platinum and I love Vengeur. And those Tobacco's are truly additive and flavoring free.

When you go in some Smoker Friendly franchises in Missouri they’ll literally have an entire peg board wall full of “value” bagged tobaccos. More choices than you could reasonably sample.

It’s secretly intended for tubes, but none of those places carry many tubes. A lot is smoked in pipes.

Buoy Gold sells out quickly. Golden Harvest is a good substitute.

By the way, there’s a difference in tubes.

Golden Harvest distributes good tubes, but once I tried Classic tubes, imported from the EU, I’ll never buy another brand. They stuff easier due to being a tiny bit smaller in diameter, and have a pretty gold band, and less waste.





The companies that fight for their share of the value market I call Little Tobacco.

It doesn’t cost much to try them.

 

[towhee89]

When you go in some Smoker Friendly franchises in Missouri they’ll literally have an entire peg board wall full of “value” bagged tobaccos. More choices than you could reasonably sample.

It’s secretly intended for tubes, but none of those places carry many tubes. A lot is smoked in pipes.

Buoy Gold sells out quickly. Golden Harvest is a good substitute.

By the way, there’s a difference in tubes.

Golden Harvest distributes good tubes, but once I tried Classic tubes, imported from the EU, I’ll never buy another brand. They stuff easier due to being a tiny bit smaller in diameter, and have a pretty gold band, and less waste.

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The companies that fight for their share of the value market I call Little Tobacco.

It doesn’t cost much to try them.

I use Shargio Red, and like them, how do these compare if you've had the Shargio ? I'll have to look those up.

There's a few Smoker Friendlies in Hickory nc close to me, I may try there for Buoy.

 

[driftedshank1]

I understand your penchant for thrift, and while this buoy tobacco may be better than some might expect, it is my guess that somewhere in the neighborhood of 99/100 experienced virginia pipe smokers would adamantly prefer any and all of these blends as compared to the buoy.

It’s cheap, and maybe not so bad to some people, and that’s a good thing, but proclaiming that VA doesn’t get any better, or that if you don’t like this you don’t like virginias, is wildly contrary to the opinion of an overwhelming majority of pipe smokers.

You enjoy it, you think it’s good, it’s affordable, all fine things to say. Even saying you prefer it to all other Virginias is fine.

But saying it’s as good as it gets, and discouraging others who may well be new to virginia blends to try anything else if they don’t like it, is a bit absurd, since your opinion here regarding it’s quality as compared to other available virginia blends is in the extreme minority.

What you have said here is the pipe smoking equivalent of saying that meat doesn’t get any better than SPAM! If you don’t like SPAM, you don’t like meat!

And if you ain't eatin WHAM you ain't eatin HAM!

 

[Briar Lee]

Chesterfield used to advertise they used 21 different tobaccos.

https://pin.it/1G9YGT5b5

I can remember Half and Half cigarretes, and Half and Half was half Lucky Strike and half Buckingham cut plug.



In 1973 the Humansville FFA went to the American Royal in Kansas City, and I snuck out of the Muelbach Hotel to a little slot in the wall tobacco shop I had seen on 12th Street.

All the common brands of cigarettes were 40 cents but there were unfiltered Player’s Medium Navy Cut and Sherman’s Cigaretellos for 65 cents.

I still have the empty packages out in my father’s milk barn someplace.

The Player’s pack read

MANUFACTURED FROM COOL RICH VIRGINIA TOBACCOS

And Nat Sherman put inside his package a little propaganda insert how Sherman’s only used pure Virginia leaf, and bought only 10% of the best Virginia leaf presented for sale. You could buy Sherman’s mail order if your dealer didn’t stock them, at close to a dollar a package.

I can remember seeing the lights of Bug Tussle as I smoked the last one behind the milk barn, and hoped someday I’d smoke nothing but pure, cool, rich Virginia tobaccos.

That day has arrived, and I’m still paying about 65 cents a package.

Seriously folks, if you don’t like Buoy Gold you might like one of over a hundred different value blends out there, made by Little Tobacco.

The main difference I can tell between Capstan and Buoy Gold is my tobacco comes from around Kinston North Carolina, and they source Capstan now mostly from Zimbabwe.

 

[Briar Lee]

I use Shargio Red, and like them, how do these compare if you've had the Shargio ? I'll have to look those up.

There's a few Smoker Friendlies in Hickory nc close to me, I may try there for Buoy.

I’m learning about tubes.

There are green (menthol) and blue (mild) on the market along with the reds (bold).

I’d try another brand except I have a case of 50 (minus four) Classics and another case of 50 in the mail.

There is a federal tax on tubes of 6 cents per fifty, which is $1.20 per thousand, and $11.20 per case, which only cost about $100 a case delivered and tax paid.

Over 41 years of law practice I bought and saved enough standard office copy paper at about $2.50 per ream of 500 to require a semi truck powered shedder two days to grind up and shred 30 years worth of old files. And there was quite a bit of wastage, I shredded myself over those years. That paper weighed 20 pounds per thousand leafs.

A big cost of making tubes must be shipping. Almost I’ve seen all are made in France, Spain, Belgium or Canada, places where the taxes on factory made cigarettes are extremely higher than ours. They are feather light but bulky. If crushed or wet they are ruined. A thousand tubes weighs nearly nothing.

The French have made cigarrete papers for about half a millennium now.

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Pierre Lacroix was inspired to begin the production of rolling papers when, in the year 1532, he traded some paper for a bottle of fine champagne and realized their potential market.

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One thing I’ve noticed is modern tubes seem to burn like cigarettes did before the do gooders saved a lot of drunks from being roasted alive falling asleep with a cigarette, and mandated fire safe paper in commercial cigarettes.

Fire-safe cigarette - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-safe_cigarette

If you want some tubes, better buy them now while our do gooders all seem to be asleep.

 

[towhee89]

And if you ain't eatin WHAM you ain't eatin HAM!

I sort of put them in a category on their own

I’m learning about tubes.

There are green (menthol) and blue (mild) on the market along with the reds (bold).

I’d try another brand except I have a case of 50 (minus four) Classics and another case of 50 in the mail.

There is a federal tax on tubes of 6 cents per fifty, which is $1.20 per thousand, and $11.20 per case, which only cost about $100 a case delivered and tax paid.

Over 41 years of law practice I bought and saved enough standard office copy paper at about $2.50 per ream of 500 to require a semi truck powered shedder two days to grind up and shred 30 years worth of old files. And there was quite a bit of wastage, I shredded myself over those years. That paper weighed 20 pounds per thousand leafs.

A big cost of making tubes must be shipping. Almost I’ve seen all are made in France, Spain, Belgium or Canada, places where the taxes on factory made cigarettes are extremely higher than ours. They are feather light but bulky. If crushed or wet they are ruined. A thousand tubes weighs nearly nothing.

The French have made cigarrete papers for about half a millennium now.

Xxxx
Pierre Lacroix was inspired to begin the production of rolling papers when, in the year 1532, he traded some paper for a bottle of fine champagne and realized their potential market.

Rizla - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

Xxxxx

One thing I’ve noticed is modern tubes seem to burn like cigarettes did before the do gooders saved a lot of drunks from being roasted alive falling asleep with a cigarette, and mandated fire safe paper in commercial cigarettes.

Fire-safe cigarette - Wikipedia - https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire-safe_cigarette

If you want some tubes, better buy them now while our do gooders all seem to be asleep.

Where did you obtain the Classics tubes? And yes I remember the days before fsc. Camel Filters were a great smoke before they changed it.

 

[Briar Lee]

I sort of put them in a category on their own

Where did you obtain the Classics tubes? And yes I remember the days before fsc. Camel Filters were a great smoke before they changed it.

Classic tubes are available at Tobacco Stock. They say made in EU, likely France or Begium.

They are $10 or so per thousand, a pack of five cartons of tubes.

The classic American cigarettes, Camel, Luckies, Chesterfields, and Old Gold, all weighed in right at three pounds per thousand and before 1960, were 100% leaf. And they did that using 70mm tubes.

Winston and Marlboro and Kent added a 15mm filter in the fifties, but that tobacco tube stayed 70mm long, 2 3/4 inches.

After 1960, Big Tobacco all started using more burley and homogenized tobacco leaf, which is paper made from tobacco scraps, and reduced the tobacco weight to about two pounds per thousand.

Today only American Spirt makes full weight (3 pounds per thousand) cigarettes. You can easily tell the difference by lifting a carton.

When you buy gold color value tobaccos you’re buying all tobacco and water.

Our little machines are designed for about two pounds per thousand, same as factory smokes.

The amount of tobacco content makes a difference.

The more tobacco in the tube the milder and slower it burns. With Classic tubes I can get a little excess and tap it all down flush by hitting the filter on a table.

I cut a typical cigarette I stuff, and the tobacco fills the standard clay pipe sold at tourist attractions.



The taste is about the same, but smoked in a clay we find more of our friend Vitamin N and a much heartier and bolder smoke.

Tobacco smoking is both an art and a science.

 

[driftedshank1]

Chesterfield used to advertise they used 21 different tobaccos.

https://pin.it/1G9YGT5b5

I can remember Half and Half cigarretes, and Half and Half was half Lucky Strike and half Buckingham cut plug.

View attachment 365143

In 1973 the Humansville FFA went to the American Royal in Kansas City, and I snuck out of the Muelbach Hotel to a little slot in the wall tobacco shop I had seen on 12th Street.

All the common brands of cigarettes were 40 cents but there were unfiltered Player’s Medium Navy Cut and Sherman’s Cigaretellos for 65 cents.

I still have the empty packages out in my father’s milk barn someplace.

The Player’s pack read

MANUFACTURED FROM COOL RICH VIRGINIA TOBACCOS

And Nat Sherman put inside his package a little propaganda insert how Sherman’s only used pure Virginia leaf, and bought only 10% of the best Virginia leaf presented for sale. You could buy Sherman’s mail order if your dealer didn’t stock them, at close to a dollar a package.

I can remember seeing the lights of Bug Tussle as I smoked the last one behind the milk barn, and hoped someday I’d smoke nothing but pure, cool, rich Virginia tobaccos.

That day has arrived, and I’m still paying about 65 cents a package.

Seriously folks, if you don’t like Buoy Gold you might like one of over a hundred different value blends out there, made by Little Tobacco.

The main difference I can tell between Capstan and Buoy Gold is my tobacco comes from around Kinston North Carolina, and they source Capstan now mostly from Zimbabwe.

 

[towhee89]

Classic tubes are available at Tobacco Stock. They say made in EU, likely France or Begium.

They are $10 or so per thousand, a pack of five cartons of tubes.

The classic American cigarettes, Camel, Luckies, Chesterfields, and Old Gold, all weighed in right at three pounds per thousand and before 1960, were 100% leaf. And they did that using 70mm tubes.

Winston and Marlboro and Kent added a 15mm filter in the fifties, but that tobacco tube stayed 70mm long, 2 3/4 inches.

After 1960, Big Tobacco all started using more burley and homogenized tobacco leaf, which is paper made from tobacco scraps, and reduced the tobacco weight to about two pounds per thousand.

Today only American Spirt makes full weight (3 pounds per thousand) cigarettes. You can easily tell the difference by lifting a carton.

When you buy gold color value tobaccos you’re buying all tobacco and water.

Our little machines are designed for about two pounds per thousand, same as factory smokes.

The amount of tobacco content makes a difference.

The more tobacco in the tube the milder and slower it burns. With Classic tubes I can get a little excess and tap it all down flush by hitting the filter on a table.

Absolutely. I smoked American Spirits before I went back to ryo, because I can't stand the packaged brands other than Dunhill International and the Rjr nonfilter offerings, which use the original blends and high quality tobacco. You have to roll them in your fingers to loosen them up to improve the draw cause they're so stuffed. I do this trick with my ryo too, because my Powermatic has a tendency to inject too tight. Scissors, cutting up the baccy helps beyond measure. American Spirits are the only cigs that are ryo or myo quality, and the Blacks and Blues are fantastic, but my Vengeur and Windsail Platinum are fantastic affordable options for us. Vengeur matches the US oriental vabur blends that were so popular in the Golden daze of bacco.

We did smoke Winston's which are touted as additive free but taste foul and my gf reported side effects when she had to get a few packs when Windy Shi**y Cigars dropped the ball on shipping our order promptly.