Rogue One: Feminist Revistionist Crap

[aldecaker]

@fordm60- weren't you the guy that shut me down for "handling it myself" with that weaselly piece of shit Billkay? To refresh your memory, I made wiseass comments to him due to my complete lack of respect for people who make their living off the government, up to and including a nice secure pension they couldn't possibly get in the private sector, and then won't shut up about how horrible the gov't. is, how corrupt, etc., AS THOUGH THEY'RE NOT AN ACTIVE PART OF IT! My view was, if Big Brother is so bad, why don't you take a turn at being a tax-maker instead of a tax-taker? Just seems strange that your line in the sand didn't really meander over my way.

 

[sablebrush52]

I see we have a number of philosophers in this thread who obviously pick and choose what they want to believe and do not have actual training and experience in the related fields. Not having seen the SW movie yet, I cannot comment directly on it, but in general, the OP is quite right in that female roles are often created not because they make sense in the story line, but simply because of the desire that they want the girl to have "her turn,

Like you said, you don't know what you're writing about. The creators of these films made this choice because they believe it will make them money. Fairness is an ideal, not a reality.

Not sure how much this has to do with the original topic, but I will leave you with this: put all the guys here back into the old west of 1860 or even 1930 and very few here could cut it with the other guys then. Sorry guys, but the world you know today has largely only been around and developing and has been imposed upon you by societal forces with a clear agenda of fundamentally going against nature for a politically correct end for roughly the past 50 years, and that IS science fact. Now go enjoy your movies. ;^D

This is an utterly clueless statement. Sorry newbie, you clearly walk around inside the world inside your head, and that keeps you from seeing the world outside you. Don't don't know what anyone's experience is here. Now run along and play with your toys.

But honestly, those of you who gave an honest calm response, you should be proud, no emotion baggage. The rest, I never really expected anything more.

Your egotistical self possession is amazing. From the moment you showed up here you wrapped yourself in the robe of the ultimate authority and judge of all, majestically pronouncing judgements on all here. Your expectations couldn't matter less. No one here exists to fulfill them.
Isn't there a bridge out there, somewhere, pining for you to crawl back under it?

 

[aldecaker]

Hey Sable! Nice to see you back. I was worried I was gonna have to find a different beneficiary for my cellar

 

[jackswilling]

"The creators of these films made this choice because they believe it will make them money."
Exactly right. This is not some $2 million euro art film, this is a big money gamble. The producers et al may have made the wrong choice and if so, they will pay the price, big time.

 

[warren]

One poor soul here apparently got his history from Owen Wister, L'amour, TV and Hollywood. Much as enjoy all four I fully comprehend that Hondo, The Virginian, The Lone Ranger, and so forth are not entirely based on reality.

 

[sablebrush52]

Hey Sable! Nice to see you back. I was worried I was gonna have to find a different beneficiary for my cellar

Thank you! I'm not that easy to kill. But it's smart to have a back up beneficiary in place just in case.

 

[tmb152]

I am going to need citations for your scientific FACT.

Really? Shall I quit my day job, or just suggest that if you need proof that men generally have heavier bones, bigger muscles, different hormones, different attitudes than women, and have served different roles throughout all of history, that is, until the last few decades, that you maybe take a college course on physiology, history, paleoanthropology, and sociology, or maybe just watch a few shows on the History or Science channel.

 

[tmb152]

The creators of these films made this choice because they believe it will make them money.

They made the movie because they KNEW it would make them money. People went to see it because it was a Star Wars movie plain and simple, not because they had advance knowledge that the lead character was a female, your assertion.

Fairness is an ideal, not a reality.

Horseshit.

Don't don't know what anyone's experience is here. Now run along and play with your toys. Your egotistical self possession is amazing. From the moment you showed up here you wrapped yourself in the robe of the ultimate authority and judge of all, majestically pronouncing judgements on all here.

Whoever said I had or claimed to have any knowledge of anyone's experience here? As to the rest of your unprovoked invective as final arbiter and judge of me as if you have read my every post here or know me, you sound like just another angry armchair liberal with the IQ of about 95 and about an 11th grade education.

 

[deathmetal]

I do agree civilian society wants nice pacified little boys and not men.

Society is its own worst enemy.
For the pretense of being "civilized," it removes actual conflict and replaces it with intractable problems.
Look at how far society has degenerated in the past 70 years or so.
To the neurotics, it seems like advancement... to everyone else, it is clear that we are less competent, honest, honorable and good than ever before.
But the neurotics substitute "nice" for "good" and think themselves clever.
As far as Hollywood goes, I remind you all that all of it is fantasy... no relation to reality at all... designed to distract and entertain, not inform.
Why would the latest Star Warts be any different?

 

[perdurabo]

Why would the Latest Star Wars be different?

It wouldn't.
Some things are so obvious they have to be said, even when these thoughts are considered a horrible crime.

 

[bigpond]

Are we really in a disagreement that an "ignore poster" feature is a bad thing, still?

 

[jefff]

@tmb. I didn't ask for condescension. I asked for citations that I could then go and read. If you are unable to give them you fact becomes an opinion.

 

[deathmetal]

I asked for citations that I could then go and read.

Just an aside, since I essentially come to this thread to sh!tpost since I realize the two sides are irreconcilable, it can seem really irritating when people ask for citations and it's basically articles you read two years ago that you don't have links for. But sometimes, you get lucky, and then it's a good opportunity to introduce all sorts of neat stuff to the debate.

 

[jefff]

That's what I was looking for. Genuine information. Not an angry response.

 

[Chasing Embers]

I thought cats did their shit posting in the I-PAN. :rofl:

 

[jackswilling]

"...the two sides are irreconcilable."
Yes indeed. No minds are changed and little useful discourse occurs, but as noted:
"But sometimes, you get lucky, and then it's a good opportunity to introduce all sorts of neat stuff to the debate."

 

[warren]

For some, in a battle of wits, they are sadly out gunned. For these people the response is to stress how manly and tough they are, it's all they have. There is a time for cerebral weapons and a time for a physical response. There is also a time to ignore imagined slights.

 

[dustmite]

Not getting into the feminist thing, but I will argue the point of Lucas getting Star Wars back. IMO, Disney did a MUCH better job with Ep. 7 than Lucas did with the prequels, not to mention the whole remastering of the original trilogy. He had his shot and blew it.

 

[sablebrush52]

They made the movie because they KNEW it would make them money. People went to see it because it was a Star Wars movie plain and simple, not because they had advance knowledge that the lead character was a female, your assertion.

Not my assertion. You obviously can't digest what you read.

Horseshit.

Well that's insightful analysis. Perhaps your prunes didn't work for you this morning? Try consuming a cargo train load of ex-lax to help rid you of what you're clearly full of.

Whoever said I had or claimed to have any knowledge of anyone's experience here? As to the rest of your unprovoked invective as final arbiter and judge of me as if you have read my every post here or know me, you sound like just another angry armchair liberal with the IQ of about 95 and about an 11th grade education.

That was you. As for the rest of this foam flecked whine, it does point out some important differences between us. While your estimate is a trifle low, I do have a measurable IQ. You on the other hand... And I do have an education. So those are two glaring difference between us.
Look, if you're going to stomp and whine, and bluster, and spray, at least do so with some wit and intelligence. Show that you actually are not a brainwashed extremist robot vomiting cant. That would be a welcome change. Can you manage that?

 

[deathmetal]

This may be my favorite internet rant ever:

I must agree that civilian society certainly has no love for a self sufficient male. A example from my experience to here in the civilian world. At work there is that guy, you all have met him, likes to be funny. Maybe snags something off your desk, or wants to give you a smack on the shoulder or whatever maybe the case. Now in civilian society I am supposed to go whine to my manager and let them handle it. I was taught being a pussy assed tattletale was not something to admire instead a tattletale is to be dispised. I can handle the problem easily, first be nice and talk with them, then if they do not listen, well now it is time to not be nice and simply solve the problem. Of course in civilian society everyone will freak out and condemn me for fixing the problem, in the Military that will not happen instead you are looked at as someone who can handle issues successfully.
Or another example from my life to show how men are expected to be pussies in civilian society. Right after I was medically discharged from the service and was attending university. I lived in some apartments by the university. One night the civilian and his girlfriend downstairs below me had been screaming and fighting for about 3 hours. I go downstairs and ring the doorbell. High speed answers the door and I kindly ask that they stop fighting. Mr. Civilian then says something about my sexual status with my mother. I tell civilian boy something rude in return. He does something stupid, I fix the problem. Some civilian, of course, calls the police. They show up and by this time I am back in my apartment. They actually come up and read me the riot act for handling the situation. No, they say I acted incorrectly I am supposed to just call them and that is all. The fact hero boy was going to jail for domestic abuse that night is probably the only reason I did not get in trouble. Bah!!
So now days everyone is scared, ohhhh don't confront someone for being screwed up they might get offended. Don't actually stand up for anything or the other civilians will not like you and the laughable authorities will come read you the riot act and maybe take you to jail. Do not be a man about things these days or you will find the civilians will make life hard on you.
Not agreeing with the op at all about movies. But I do agree civilian society wants nice pacified little boys and not men. Which is one of the reasons things are rather messed up today. A nark or tattletale is rewarded. No idea how that came about, a snitch is to be dispised period.