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swampgrizzly

Might Stick Around
Sep 26, 2018
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South Louisiana, U.S.A.
The Golden Triangle series of tobaccos were great. Coincidentally I had a bowl of Belmont (my favorite one) last night. That was a fun set to smoke through. The only one I didn't nab was the one that had straight St. James in it.
2 summers ago I had the opportunity to tour Mark Ryan's L.A. Poche processing facilities after visiting Mr. Poche's grandson's perique farm in the Belmont community. This Belmont perique farm was only a couple of miles away from the processing facility. Not only is the perique processing very labor intensive as Jeremy Reeves mentioned, but the actual tobacco farming and harvesting effort I observed is also very labor intensive. Mr. Poche's grandson farmed 60 acres of perique along with 2,000 acres of sugar cane which is a highly mechanized farming crop. The perique farming effort vs. sugar cane farming efforts would be like comparing Henry Ford's first auto to today's best high tech auto. Perique tobacco farming might decline on it's own also, without the use of migrant farm workers that I witnessed in the perique patch I visited.
 

jeremyreeves

Starting to Get Obsessed
May 14, 2015
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so basically the last point is there are many other crops that have a better profit to labor ratio?
In a nutshell, yes. There are other crops or types of work that have a broader appeal, more potential buyers, more opportunity and require less overall hand work. I don't know of any St. James tobacco farmer that is making the lion share of their income farming and curing Perique. Sugar cane is big business down there, fields in certain areas can be flooded for crawfish, tomato farms, citrus farming, commercial fishing and hunting... all are more prominent and reliable forms of income for the Perique farmers I know of.
 

BROBS

Lifer
Nov 13, 2019
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The craziest thread ever. On the first two pages, everyone is drunk or stoned, then everyone starts discussing perique and dark fired which eventually dissolves into doubting and angst about what is actually being discussed.

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anotherbob

Lifer
Mar 30, 2019
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In a nutshell, yes. There are other crops or types of work that have a broader appeal, more potential buyers, more opportunity and require less overall hand work. I don't know of any St. James tobacco farmer that is making the lion share of their income farming and curing Perique. Sugar cane is big business down there, fields in certain areas can be flooded for crawfish, tomato farms, citrus farming, commercial fishing and hunting... all are more prominent and reliable forms of income for the Perique farmers I know of.
so either they love the stuff or feel a need for diversity in their portfolio. Or we start paying for pipe tobacco more like the cigar market.
 

karam

Lifer
Feb 2, 2019
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Basel, Switzerland
Hey, fellas! I go to St. James Parish to hand select barrels of Perique 2 to 3 times a year. I know many of the farmers in St. James, and have visited their farms and seen their crops and been in their homes. I have seen the process, through many various stages. I’ve stripped leaf at Poche with Mark Ryan and the rest of the workers. I’ve helped roll bunches, called “cah-rahts”, to be packed into barrels. I’ve helped with turning barrels, a particularly laborious process which is done multiple times throughout the year that the tobacco spends in the barrel. Making Perique is hard work. Most people wouldn’t do it. It is hardly surprising that manufacturers don’t make their own Perique when one sees the process and the constant attention and troubleshooting involved to keep from having quality issues.

Perique is not made anywhere outside of St. James. There’s a product from Brazil called Arapiraca, which is sometimes compared to Perique but it is not that similar. Someone here said Perique is a marketing term. Perhaps, in the same way that Chocolate, or Wool or Steel are marketing terms. These are terms to communicate what materials are used in a product, what the end user can expect the product to be like. Perique is a specific tobacco type and quality that is produced through a specific, unique and labor intensive process and the results of this process are totally unlike anything else in tobacco, that I’ve ever seen.

A few other points worth noting:

Mark has one small barn where he processes Dark Fired Kentucky in barrels, under extreme pressure, like Perique. The results are totally unique and the sole customer for this product is a very well known cigar manufacturer. There is none of this Dark Fired that is used in Perique and it is not called Perique. It is called Cajun Black. Years ago, McClelland used some in a handful of blends.

The crop grown in St. James Parish is not enough to fill demand and this has been the case for decades. Not just the last few years. Mark Ryan found that back into the 20’s and 30’s the accounting books at Poche Farms show that they were supplementing St. James leaf shortages using Dark Air Cured from TN, KY or Canada, depending on the availability and quality available. The vast majority of pure St. James Perique is being used in American Spirit Perique cigarettes, due to exclusive contract with one processor. It’s been that way for a long time. Years. What is available for use in pipe tobacco currently, is often, though not always, comprised of a blend of St. James leaf and leaf from TN, KY, of Canada. The imported leaf used is very similar to the St. James leaf, which is basically a Dark Air Cured type. Not Dark Fired, Dark Air Cured.

The blending is done at the end of the Perique process, once the two products are nearly indistinguishable. Again, I’ve personally seen all of this. St. James is wet, hand stripped, rolled, packed and pressed into bourbon barrels separately from imported leaf which goes through the same process. Once they are in very nearly the same range of aroma, flavor and color, they are blended together into a barrel, pressed down under many tons of pressure and then capped for about 3 months. None of this blending practice is new or recent.

Lastly, Latakia is produced by hanging small, oily tobacco leaves over a smoldering fire that must be maintained for 5 to 6 months. This is an incredibly wild process. Dark Fired is usually done in 14- 16 days and that is a very stressful and sleep deprived time for the farmers and their families. 5-6 months is just wild.

These kinds of extremely labor intensive tobacco processes are the reason that both Latakia and Perique are in short supply. If anyone could do it, that supply problem wouldn’t exist.
Thank you, your and other experts' contributions are always extremely welcome here!
 

pantsBoots

Lifer
Jul 21, 2020
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No, if someone was pitting one type of pipe smoker against another, that would be unhelpful. But, I don't think that was what was going on.

I think it was good natured humor.

Although I do concede that the current condition of Americans seems to be humor is harmful and isn't helpful.

I was told that at a conference of science teachers.

My superpower is that I can smell human pheromones. I can tell you, just by standing next to any woman, who has and who hasn't gone through menopause. It's not a joke, it is very real.

Blind folded, I am able to identify women, from 15 away, so long as they haven't gone through menopause, who they are having met them only once.

This super power doesn't seem to be very helpful, but there it is, it is real.

But it is okay, I don't mind the jokes that follow. It does seem rather ridiculous. Accept when a woman passes me by, and she is real excreting pheromones. My mind goes blank and everything and anything I was thinking about just empties out of it. I don't have to see them - I just need to smell or sense them. It's like kryptonite.

So, put that in your pipe and smoke it. You know what I mean?
Women smell good. Most of em.
 
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I'm not mad. I'm bored with all the ill informed and sophomoric threads on this board. How's that...?
Egad, there should be a serious forum, for pipesmokers who don't want to deal with tomfoolery and camaraderie. But, no one is forcing people to read these threads. Why, I sometimes will NOT read a dozen threads before 7AM.
 

swampgrizzly

Might Stick Around
Sep 26, 2018
89
204
South Louisiana, U.S.A.
In a nutshell, yes. There are other crops or types of work that have a broader appeal, more potential buyers, more opportunity and require less overall hand work. I don't know of any St. James tobacco farmer that is making the lion share of their income farming and curing Perique. Sugar cane is big business down there, fields in certain areas can be flooded for crawfish, tomato farms, citrus farming, commercial fishing and hunting... all are more prominent and reliable forms of income for the Perique farmers I know of.
In the case of the Belmont perique farmer I had the opportunity to visit, it appeared that he was continuing to plant some acres of perique in memory of his grandfather, L.A. Poche, and the legacy of farm land he and others in his family inherited. He was named the Louisiana Farm Bureau Young Farmer of the Year in 2013 and 2014 for his operations involving sugar cane, cattle farming, and perique farming. He is a successful farmer, but it appears to me that financially perique farming is just almost a hobby type tribute to his heritage.